To think that the 'Calais Camp' situation needs to be resolved ASAP!

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This is just getting ridiculous now. France need to take this problem to the EU and ask for help dealing with it immediately. It has gone on for too long and needs to stop.

I don't know what the answer is. I think the UK should take anyone under 18, and their family members. Other than that, everyone else should have to apply for asylum in France or risk arrest. Not a perfect solution, but the only one I have.

And from many of the interviews that I have seen, many of the migrants, when asked why they want to get to the UK, say that they want to get an education and qualifications. That's wonderful and to be admired in anyone. But our schools are already too crowded and a university or college education has to be paid for by the student. Or should that be borne by the tax payers too?

We definitely need to build more houses, whatever.
It is possible of course to disagree that we can take any more and not be dehumanising. But dehumanisation does occur.

poster juneau Thu 28-Jan-16 21:54:04

Exactly we already have car washers

We need nurses , doctors were down dectivtives in London

We're not exactly getting the cream of the crop.

so far rapists, arsonists , and murders and the lefties are still calling for do to take in more

OhforGodsake But they surely can get an education in France, too? Do they think Britain is littered with Etons and Oxbridge colleges?

who would help with assimilation

With what DC proposed last week that is another hot topic, an argument against is we shouldn't be targeting individual minorities (largely by the same who advocate we must do more regarding immigration)

I'm with you, Huge. Agree with every word.

Just to pick up on emily's point further up, that migrants shouldn't be expected to settle in France as they 'fear being attacked'. Well I've heard it all now. You were skilfully taken down by others but I think with reasoning that hilariously contradictory and hypocritical, you can kiss goodbye to any respect you may ever had on here.

Absolutely ohfor let's put our own population first particularly with jobs and housing. I live in Greater London and the roads are so busy and it feels over crowded.

I don't want anymore people to come here end of..

But dehumanisation does occur.

And ignoring certain facts and just trying to play the emotive angle is also prevelant.

Both sides are trying to position the argument into a black and white issue, both are just as bad as each other for doing this.

The shades of grey seem to be more of a problem for the regressive left than extreme right and I haven't seen any extreme right on any of these threads.

Ku Klux Klan comparison Morris? Seriousy skilful no, comedy gold, yes.

OhforGodsake I've often wondered the same thing, when I've heard on the media that migrants want to come here "to get an education." Who the hell do they think is going to pay for that?

Maybe if you addressed her post in an educated manner emily rather than a lame rebuttal you may be able to add weight to your side of the argument.

Don't you like being called racist?

Okay, so it's good to hear that Sweden are making plans (flights, etc.) for removing failed asylum seekers, but I also agree that it's unlikely many will volunteer to leave ... and that's if they can even find some of them

Undoubtably it would have been better if they'd controlled their borders better in the first place, but since they didn't it's going to be very interesting to see how this plays out. Equally interesting will be what kind of a message it sends to others planning to enter Sweden if the whole idea falls apart

emily

Using your own logic, it doesn't matter how many times migrants have been attacked by the police or by neo-Nazis in France, because each attack is made by a tiny minority of the total population and you can't use the bad behaviour of individuals to tar a whole group, right? The migrants should stop being so xenophobic and racist against the French police and general populace!

Right?

Sorry, just catching up and this struck me from the LoonyTroubleMakingInCalais.com website I linked to earlier, talking about why the migrants won't leave the rotting camps and go to the warm safe phone charging showers clean beds filthy shitholes of container accommodation and register for asylum.

An overarching theme of all of these tactics, seems to be to force (although the government would probably say encourage), everyone in Calais to claim asylum in France. We absolutely condemn this.

We condemn an attempt to restrict people’s choose and autonomy in moving and going to where they want.

A humanitarian cloak is being pulled over people’s eyes. This new accommodation either in the jungle or elsewhere in France is not good enough. It is being provided to avoid a scandal for the reputation of the current government and to more easily isolate and target those who want to live outside the asylum system or travel to the UK.

Why would you want to live outside the asylum system if you're a refugee or an asylum seeker?*

*Rhetorical question.

Emily ive never seen you arguing emotively on threads where social housing tenants are told they cant live where they want to and are actually being socially cleansed out and there has been plenty of threads about it on here over the last few years.

Now im not comparing the two situations. Obviously there are vast differences but the fact is a lot of working class people will think.......hang on a minute where was the support for me?

All im trying to say (although i may be doing it in a clumsy way) is that if there was an incentive to bring in everyone from the Calais camps there would be a lot of division and resentment created.

And there is a slight possibility that the willingness of the right wing media to portray people on benefits as "raking it in" wont have helped. It may have contributed to the notion that the UK is paved with gold.
The press arent so willing to talk about zero hour contracts and workfare.

There was a doc on Channel 4 last year where some of the young men were interviewed and one said his dream was to get a British woman pregnant.

The press in the UK always like to bang on about how much benefits/tax credits parents get.

Emily I'm baffled at how little compassion you have for Europeans. For the people of Calais scared to leave their homes at night. For the German and Swedish women harassed and sexually assaulted. For the poor of your own country who always bear the brunt of mass immigration. You really don't care, do you? It's nauseating.

A quick side note of topic.

Helena, I know I have run up against you a fair few times but talk about zero hour contracts is a failed policy of ed, it isn't a huge problem that you think it is and your banging a dead drum, otherwise I agree with your post

Fair enough lurker.

"There really is a problem with the expectations that people have who come from far-flung places. Most of it is probably due to the internet and social media. I mean... come on everybody... look at your social media account, such as instagram. Most people only publish the pretty side of their lives on there: holidays, evenings out... happy times. People see this and think life is better wherever you are, but they don't know the crap side of your life."

I've travelled to some poor parts of the world, and yes, people with little education often have naive ideas about what life is like in wealthy countries. They generalize from the last movie they saw, or they do naive things like ask what the average salary is but have difficulty grasping what the average cost of goods and services is.

In PNG, I tended to get gasps of astonishment when I showed photos of the tiny, shabby one-room bedsit where my boyfriend and I lived at the time.

It's still a higher standard of living, no doubt about it, but yes, people's expectations may be unrealistic at times.

For the German and Swedish women harassed and sexually assaulted.

And in one case killed. Let's not forget that.

What has hardly been reported in the PC German media is that around the time of the Cologne attacks, two minors (teenagers) were gang-raped by four Syrian nationals aged between 14 and 21 in a small German town.

I wonder what all these emotionally-led people would think if one of the girls had been one of their daughters. If they still held their views letting everyone in Calais in without truly investigating (a) who they are and )b) whether they could assimilate, then they must be seriously sick.

Asking someone to imagine their own daughter bring raped sounds like a rather emotionally led argument to me...

Thole

That's what I'm trying to point out as shins did. There's very little compassion for people other than the migrants.

Unchr have many reports of violence and assault happening to refugee women. There are also reports of far right led attacks on people in camps, but there is no point dwelling on too many individual stories. It is possible to have compassion for all. That doesn't mean that everyone in Calais gets to come in, but if we had a UK processing centre there we could assess everyone, send failed UK asylum seekers home, and accept our share of a Europe wide quota system. That would also be fairer to Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey who can't cope with the numbers. And Greece. And Germany. Cooperation is needed in order to assess properly, resettle it return. I know we can't control the rest of Europe on this.

Resettle or return..