To think that the 'Calais Camp' situation needs to be resolved ASAP!

[Kreacherelf]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413566/Port-Calais-closed-migrants-storm-harbour-make-Spirit-Britain-ferry-desperate-bid-reach-UK.html

This is just getting ridiculous now. France need to take this problem to the EU and ask for help dealing with it immediately. It has gone on for too long and needs to stop.

I don't know what the answer is. I think the UK should take anyone under 18, and their family members. Other than that, everyone else should have to apply for asylum in France or risk arrest. Not a perfect solution, but the only one I have.

My children and I were born here, myself and our family helped society by paying tax, voluntary work and various other deeds.

My children upon moving had no school place for half a year. I had to HE until school places became available. Why can't the out of work refugees in Turkey HE their children?

WidowWadman

In Germany refugee shelters are set on fire pretty much daily and you've got PEGIDA tosspots marching once a week. And that's not something which only started this year, anti immigrant violence has been on the up for a while. Not sure that it's be my place of choice in that situation.

Oh, so now - apparently - because Germany is not as welcoming, they don't want to be there? Like it will be any different in Middlesborough... because guess what? There is very, very little chance a refugee will be given a place to live in London / SE. he rest of the UK is a lot less cosmopolitan.

Snowbells in Germany refugee shelters are set on fire pretty much daily and you've got PEGIDA tosspots marching once a week.

I notice you didn't mention that a few of those refugee shelters have also been burnt down from within, there is a problem with PEGIDA and far right, but the marches are in comparison with the EDL in Britain, constant but not worth the attention (ie: a minority of fuckwits)

I agree something needs to be done - it's a disgrace that people are living like this - desperate people being treated like shit

widow this is what ohforgods is talking about
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35294235
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35322374

I asked twisted (who I think on a previous thread said worked in the Calais Jungle) what the uptake was like now...so far no response.

It's the something that is the sticking point though ghosty

Fake,I really worry about the situation in Turkey. I don't think itis a safe place. Even with more money there, refugees can't work and kids can't go to school. Some of the Syrian refugees are Kurdish and there seems to be a lot of animosity towards Kurds there. I fear this will blow up further.

Turkey got a lot of EU money to stop the refugees getting on boats and I think this money could have been better spent. I wonder wha they have done with the money tbh. Turkey has also been battering the shit out of Syrians, quite literally beating them back to Syria. I also would prefer them to have a life, not just life in a camp. Turkey doesn't seem safe or a place that will recognise their human rights. I am also concerned that they are being sent back to a warzone. Idon't know much about Erdogan but he seems unpleasant.

Jordan has taken a lot already as far as I know. The other EU countries should take their share. The Jordan refugee camps sound strained. I spoke to a lady working for the UNHCR who seemed desperate for basic necessities for people there.

I wish they would get the people stuck there in Syria out. I don't think camps are a great solution, but they could be part of it. The money that there is quite often doesn't seem to go to the needy and the EU are not taking responsibility.

But in Calais there are people from many different places, not just Syria and those from wars the West was involved in. Eritrea sound really awful. I think he UK should take some responsibility for them when they are fleeing torture.

What claim widowwadman ?

WidowWadman

'Anyway, why should the UK have a get out card and leave the rest of Europe to deal with the people who have made it to continental Europe?'

The question is why we should allow ourselves to be inundated for no good reason other than to appease the consciences of far left fantasists? Merkel's the one who invited them - she can take them all.

Really widowwadman .? With all the postings that you have made about this subject, both on this thread and other threads on the same subject, I'm stunned that you apparently had no idea that the Calais migrants have been given purpose built accommodation but have rejected it on the grounds that "it looks like a prison". I was hoping that someone here might know why they would rather live in shitty freezing conditions rather than move to much better accommodation. But if you didn't even know of its existence, there's not much point in me asking you really. Very surprised..

Vertigo

'My children and I were born here, myself and our family helped society by paying tax, voluntary work and various other deeds'.

and?

'My children upon moving had no school place for half a year. I had to HE until school places became available. Why can't the out of work refugees in Turkey HE their children?'

Because they have a right to education under international law. Obviously, not everyone has the skills to home educate. Home educating puts barriers before integration. They need skilled teachers and people trained in trauma.

Emily, as normal you have avoided the question. These children that are apparently starving in the camps; they are entitled to accommodation, healthcare, education, regular cash and the right to make an asylum claim in France. Given that I cannot see how any parent who was not selfish and greedy would refuse their children that help to starve in a tent in January.

If I did that and took my child down to live in a tent on Wimbledon Common because I fancy living near my Mum I'd be told I was an unfit parent and would have my children removed. But apparently if you're in Calais and you decide to put your children through that (and the dangers of death involved in being smuggled) you're somehow a poor put upon victim. Why is it acceptable for them to deny their children housing, sanitation, education and healthcare because they fancy living somewhere different or they'd like to live near Uncle Amir? They are not in danger in France. The fact that some of them may have lived in a war zone once does not mean that it's okay for them to do that to their children just because of where they fancy living.

And as for not threatening people, have you watched that video? Have you heard the testimony of truck drivers who are frightened people are going to be killed? The repeated nights of clashes with the police?

I don't know the law in Turkey or France. In England I know it's the parents responsibility to ensure their children are educated.

The following includes exact quotes from migrants who refuse to move from the Calais Jungle to the new purpose-built refugee camp down the road (www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35322374):

'One anonymous Iraqi migrant said he feared tighter restrictions if he moved.

He said: "Personally, I wouldn't go because they are requiring fingerprints and they are forcing us to stay in France to apply for asylum which we are not happy to do."

One Eritrean migrant called Mohammed told the BBC he would "try to fight" the move.

He said: "If we go inside to stay in the warm we don't try to cross the border."

He said being close to the motorway gave migrants a better chance of hiding in passing lorries, bound for the UK.

"The trucks that are coming here are mostly very quick," he said. "That is why we are near the road."

So there you have it in their own words: they won't go to the new, clean, warm refugee camp because they will be fingerprinted and given asylum in France, because they prefer to go to Britain. They are not refugees, they are economic migrant shoppers as they themselves admit.

Any comment from the open borders crowd?

Doubt you'll get any reply onewing , I've seen this same discussion rage across several threads, over many weeks. I've seen the same arguments, both for and against, more/less immigration, to EU /UK and the same posters churning out the same arguments. Some posters are very fixed and almost authoritarian in their views (judgements). But I've noticed, time and time again, that when a direct question is asked, or a simple incontrovertible statement that is backed up with evidence is posted, they seem to melt away and suddenly have no postings either way! But then they pop back up again when the challenge has passed!.

Economic. Now Germany has falling birthrates and needs more people particularly young fit people and the UK doesn't ( as we have a lot of people, often from immigrant communities already having lots of children) However if 1m get into the EU as they have they can then settle anywhere (subject to benefits rules) so it's our issue unless we can start turning around boats in the Med as Australia manages peacefully to do. By doing that we also stop ISIS and others profiting from th e people trafficking and we save the lives of children so it's win win all round.

I'm a bit sceptical at the falling birthrate explanation, it's true, Germany have that problem but with the fee movement of people within the EU that would not be a problem.

There is talk of the Ukraine joining the EU, you have vast people resources there and of course in the rest of East Europe.

I don't see the need to fill that void the way they did.

I do think it's the still overwhelming guilt that pushed it.

"If there are children starving in those camps it's because they have greedy, selfish, irresponsible parents who are more concerned with getting somewhere they can work illegally than keeping their children warm, fed, clothed, educated and healthy."

WTF? You should be ashamed of yourself. Are you a parent?

Children are in those camps because they saw their parents killed in front of them.

What on earth do you think happens in war?

Shame on you.

Here is a quote from one of the volunteers in camp, after talking to a boy who looks not a lot older than my own son (7)

"This beautiful face came into the tea tent in Moria camp..
-Are you alone sweety?
-No. Im with my uncle and my 2 little sisters.
-Where is your mother?
-Died in a bomb explosion in Damascus.
He was talking smiling shyly.. he continued: many people died. I saw their bodies shattered over the place. We ran. My sister wanted my mother but i had to be strong for her so i closed her eyes and we ran... we ran we ran. Now she is sleeping.

He offered me his juice and ran away.."

And despite all that, his uncle decided to subject 3 young children to a dangerous journey all the way across Europe to pitch up at a camp whilst waiting to cross to the UK illegally involving another dangerous journey , instead of finding the first safe place for them all and settling there, sparing them further trauma.

How odd.

Tangerine, the children are not in the camps in France because they've seen war. They are in the camps in France because they adults they are with have decided to turn down the accommodation, financial support, education and healthcare to which they are entitled in France and multiple other safe nations through which they have passed.

By the time they get to Calais they are simply being made to suffer because their parents prioritise getting to the UK above their health, safety and welfare.

If you can't see the difference between desperate parents and children fleeing for their lives and parents who are prepared to risk their children's wellbeing to get somewhere they fancy a bit more then more fool you.

Children in Calais are desperate because their parents are refusing help, not because there is none available.

Exactly Chenjin. That child could have a roof over their head and be in school within days if they put in an application in France. Those children are suffering because an adult is choosing to continue dragging them round the continent, risking their lives in cold dangerous camps and at the hands of people smugglers, because he fancies living somewhere different.

Agree Bill. The children in the camps don't need to be there - the adults accompanying them could have stopped their misery a long time ago.

Actually, many politically-motivated adults are encouraging migrants to let those children suffer.

This is an interesting blog that someone sent me; anyone wondering why migrants chose not go into the clean safe accommodation being offered should look at this.

I think using traumatised people, particularly little children, for anarchic political games is abhorrent.

agree with you on this. They need to claim asylum in France.