To think that the 'Calais Camp' situation needs to be resolved ASAP!

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413566/Port-Calais-closed-migrants-storm-harbour-make-Spirit-Britain-ferry-desperate-bid-reach-UK.html

This is just getting ridiculous now. France need to take this problem to the EU and ask for help dealing with it immediately. It has gone on for too long and needs to stop.

I don't know what the answer is. I think the UK should take anyone under 18, and their family members. Other than that, everyone else should have to apply for asylum in France or risk arrest. Not a perfect solution, but the only one I have.

Zzzz please don't go. You don't know how many will be relieved to read your posts.
Vertigo, I don't know your situation, but maybe you shouldn't be someone that should have to take more cuts.
It should not be the poorest and most vulnerable paying for the deficit regardless of the refugee crisis.
But the fact that there are poor people here, is not a reason not to help others. There are also plenty of rich people here.
As it is there is lots of voluntary aid going into Calais and Dunkirk. There are people who are prepared to share.

I have helped refugees where I can.

It won't be the rich paying for this because the population selected a government that punish the vulnerable.

Lone women were held by customs after delivering donations in France for hours, long before the press were on refugees side.

Yes vertigo I know. But the fight then needs to be with those at the top, not those at the bottom.

Personality disordered people are over represented as a group in positions of power and trust. When you get a decent person JC in charge people don't like it.

ZZZZ, I agree with you. I don't get anyone that thinks it's ok to leave people to live like this.

Sadly, even though the Kindertransport children were admitted to the UK, many parents died and Jews were treated with suspicion, as refugees are now. People thought they would be spies.

I am sick of hearing people being called naive for not being heartless. The UK is a wealthy country and should be doing everything it can.

Thanks for your posts.

Haven't seen anyone mention this but has anyone looked at the reddit gif posted by quoteunquote yesterday at 14:41 (about 8th post in) - those people should be easily identified - especially the one who faced the camera whilst 'keeping watch' . They should be prosecuted for assisting criminals ...

zzzz and others if we take people from Calais we are encouraging more to come ...to pay huge amounts to people smugglers and risk their lives. That would be a grave mistake, the opposite of a humanitarian thing to do.
Do you have any idea of how many people in the world would like to come and live in the UK?

The majority are not trying to join their family in the UK - logic tells you that can't be the case - people in the Uk can apply for their family to join them ...so why are they trying to get here illegally? Why pay all that money and take all the risks?
I used to know some (what I believe were) genuine asylum claimants - waiting for their claims to be processed. They arrived in the UK illegally and were working under fake ID.

They could have stopped in any number of EU countries but they were heading for the UK. They didn't speak English - they did speak French. But they came to the UK. One was picked up in Italy as being illegal - the police basically drove them to French border and told them to disappear over the border.

Why the UK? Because we are thought to be 'nice', a soft touch. Our police are nice - they are not armed, honest and fair (which would surprise some I know). Police in other parts of Europe are considered to be much tougher. The person who was picked up in Italy was amazed how differently they were treated when they were picked up the police in the UK, the Italy police were brutal. We are seen as being less racist than other parts of the EU.
We have free healthcare, education etc etc - they do believe the streets are paved with gold. From certain cultures they believe they can have as much sex as they like here...as opposed to the restrictions they face at home. I do wonder how many have an unpleasant surprise about the harsh realities when they actually get here...

I am sick of hearing people being called naive for not being heartless

There is a big difference between heartless and pragmatic. So far I haven't seen anything from zzzz (and others) beyond 'we must take more, it's awful' - and that weird post about the amount we spend on coffee each year. We all know it's awful, no-one is disputing that - but what we need are long term , cost-effective sustainable solutions which don't reward those who are profiting from trafficking or the wealthy who can afford to make the journey to Calais.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/12119416/Stunned-silence-for-drowned-migrant-girl-found-washed-up-on-Greek-island.html?sf19589666=1

Unlucky, the majority ARE are trying to get to the UK illegally because their lives are in danger where they are. The UK isn't a soft touch for asylum, most applicants are turned down.

'From certain cultures they believe they can have as much sex as they like here'.

Good grief. What a bizarre thing to say. They want a better, safer life. So would you in their position.

Hi Emily - nice to see you here ...not on the other thread

BTW has everyone seen the petition about the event on NYE in cologne has now been accepted?
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/119385

Of course the majority are trying to get to the UK illegally I don't disagree - but they are safe in most of Europe...so why the UK?
The argument is they have family here or speak English or ....but actually the ones I knew thought Britain was the best place to come for the reasons I said...and didn't speak English... so that goes against that argument. As does the fact they are queuing up at Calais and not staying in France...
The people smugglers tell them how wonderful the UK is ...and they believe them...
The sex thing - one I knew got into lots of trouble at home for getting carried away with his girlfriend - not full sex just very heavy petting (his girlfriend got into even more trouble)...here he could (and did) go to discos and get lucky and have a ONSs... something that would never happen in his home country...

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/119385
Damn it would help if the link worked...

Why doesn't Germany offer them asylum? The EU is Germany after all.

Allthe, I don't support the present laws which make the illegal way the only option for many. If the EU presented a unified response and overhauled present laws, things would be much better. The laws are crap at the moment but that doesn't mean we shouldn't help them. Kids are starving there and are likely to catch nasty diseases the longer this goes on.

I don't think they are pets. I think they are humans. Neither do I think they are to be despised like so many people on here seem to, for wanting to be safe. It isn't about me. I just don't think there is any justification for leaving people, including small people, to live in squalor with no food. It's not pragmatic to say it is ok to treat them like this and infer they deserve it for having the means to escape. things would be much better. It makes no sense to place so little value on their lives and spend so much time trying to dehumanise them on here.

If more countries agreed to taking more refugees, in addition to laws being overhauled, then things would be much better.

Unlucky, where in Europe are these people safe?

Labelling these people as greedy, selfish, sex pests seems rotten to me. What would they get in the UK? Thirty quid a week? Labelling the people that want to help them as idiotc self congragulatory do gooders is rotten too. When cruelty and dehumanising treatment of our fellow humans is described as pragmatic, I really worry. It is startling and terrifying what people will justify for what they see as 'the greater good.' While Europe sits back, people are slowly and painfully being exterminated.

Because Merkel knows that she's already pushed the Germans enough by accepting around a million refugees.

I think sex is part of it. Look at the woman in Germany who was groped and told, "German girls are just there for sex."

If you come from a country where the women are covered up and sex is a much bigger issue, it will be a massive cultural difference to which you need to acclimatise. To say nothing of the views that you might have inherited as to women's roles in society.

And the community leaders don't necessarily help. Eg MuslimStern responded to cologne by saying that Germany should ban alcohol and the women should cover up and not wear perfume, so as not to tempt the poor confused innocent little men. If the people you are listening to are preaching this message that it's not your fault, it's the women's fault, then of course you're going to take that on board.

'From certain cultures they believe they can have as much sex as they like here'.

"Good grief. What a bizarre thing to say. They want a better, safer life. So would you in their position."

Better and safer for whom? Not the hundreds of women in Cologne (and, I believe, around a dozen other cities in Europe) who were sexually assaulted at New Year. Not so bizarre after all.

If more countries agreed to taking more refugees, in addition to laws being overhauled

How would you do that, without creating more problems?

It's a disgusting blight on humanity that some people have to live in those conditions and it should be resolved.

It shouldn't be resolved by opening the doors to everyone, as we simply cannot cope with infinite numbers. In reality we can't cope at the moment - schools, nhs, housing etc etc. Horribly harsh but fair to say that eventually the problems will follow if there are too many people here.

Spend money on helping people in their own countries - both in terms of the war torn ones and the ones with poor economies, which certainly won't be helped if all the fit healthy youths leave. Put pressure on the wealthy gulf states to do the same.

Easy to say. So so so difficult to do.