To think that the 'Calais Camp' situation needs to be resolved ASAP!

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413566/Port-Calais-closed-migrants-storm-harbour-make-Spirit-Britain-ferry-desperate-bid-reach-UK.html

This is just getting ridiculous now. France need to take this problem to the EU and ask for help dealing with it immediately. It has gone on for too long and needs to stop.

I don't know what the answer is. I think the UK should take anyone under 18, and their family members. Other than that, everyone else should have to apply for asylum in France or risk arrest. Not a perfect solution, but the only one I have.

Are you a uk tax payer Emily? Do you have to pay for this or suffer a loss of public services for this?

On the whole, Europe is mostly sitting back. The EU has failed to respond adequately. Yes, Germany have done so much and Greek people have been amazing when they have next to nothing themselves. These are exceptions to what is mostly a shameful European response and one that horrifies me.

Saying that Europe should have a unified response and overhaul present laws that contribute to death and misery is saying all poor displaced people should come to Europe? Hmmm, not really.

'To heck with the consequences. But then we do not know who you are and what you yourself would do or what your motives are'.

So disgreeing with you means I have some shady and mysterious 'motives' because I don't share your hysteria about the consequences of helping vulnerable people?

Vertigo, what relevance do my personal circumstances have to this?

On the whole, Europe is mostly sitting back. The EU has failed to respond adequately

Can you elaborate and give specifics?

It's very easy for us on our little island to be critical of other countries because it is just not impacting us at the moment.

Agree with others there are a number of reasons why people prefer to come here and it is not all to do with language or having family here.

France understandably at the moment are very reluctant to deal with this ongoing issue they have much bigger issues to deal with and security threats. We can't have open borders not all refugees have had to flee their countries but it has been allowed to get so out of control we are unable to determine who is genuine and who is not

zzzzz

'I do think we should take many more refugees (but not all, a proportion/share as I said up thread), I genuinely do think we will have to pay for it and it will mean dropping our standard of living, to save lives.'

Please feel free to go first then - drop your standard of living by sending your entire disposable income to refugee charities every month. But don't expect everyone else to sacrifice their standard of living for your ethics.

'I'm off to shepherd one of the reasons I wouldn't be a good person to go to Calais to a hospital appointment.'

Whoever it is you're looking after, you must realize that their care would suffer as the funds that support them are diverted to the mass of refugees you want us to accept. That's the choice you're asking us to make.

Well, it seems they certainly don't want to come to Ireland anyway.

www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/family-of-10-refugees-from-syria-are-first-to-arrive-in-ireland-377784.html

"An extremely low take up of the EU relocation scheme for refugees who have already arrived in Italy and Greece among places, has resulted in fewer than 30 applicants applying for permission to live here so far.

The Syrian family will stay at an emergency centre in Leinster before moving to more permanent housing by early spring. A process of registering them for assistance payments and asylum application is expected to begin next week.

The EU relocation scheme has stalled after the low take up, with many migrants arriving making their own way to host countries, rather than registering in entry states in the Mediterranean"

I think that if we let in everyone who wants to come, within 5 years there'd be a civil war.

I'm extremely glad that DC had more sense that Angela Merkel. I don't agree with him about a lot of things but I'm very glad he hasn't opened the floodgates to this country (which already has some areas where I don't feel welcome as a white woman.)

Vertigo, 'Husband is employed for some sort of organisation similar to the group that encouraged refugees to reject the heated dry accommodation in Calais then storm the ports'.

No, he isn't. He has volunteered his own time twice to help refugees. He isn't employed by any organisation helping refugees. Volunteers are not paid, they do it because they want to help. Not everyone is motivated by money.

No organisation encouraged refugees to reject the dry accomodation. Volunteers helped them to move before the camp was bulldozed.

Why not debate the issues instead of ponitificatingon what my husband does or making comments about crafts and twitter? It's odd and childish to try to pull apart what my other half does when you don't know him or anything about him.

Is it ok for UK citizens are being pulled apart by people living in Hungary?

Not everyone is motivated by money.

Indeed not. Virtue-signalling is also a major factor!

I don't know what you mean Vertigo? How are UK citizens being affected by Hungary?

I also wonder why you are inventing things about what my other half does.

You don't have to dress it up as virtue signalling. Other people brought up what my other half does and invented lies about it which I countered. Do you seriously think people go to help in refugee camps just for some self congratulatory bollocks? If they didn't go, a lot more people would be dead.

I think that if we let in everyone who wants to come, within 5 years there'd be a civil war.

That's the way things are heading in Germany right now

mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0SB06620151018

Hi all,
Just to point out that we have made some deletions, but that they weren't for personal attacks as such, more that it's just a bit off to discuss someone as if they aren't there (when they most definitely are).
Anyway, isn't that what PMs are for?
Please let's play the ball, not the woman and all that, we'd really appreciate it. Thanks!

MumsnetHelen, inventing lies about what my other half does is a bit of a personal attack in my opinion.

Do you seriously think people go to help in refugee camps just for some self congratulatory bollocks?

Yes, yes I really do. Just have a look at the woman holding up a sign in the first photo as she cheers the migrants storming the Calais ferry a couple of days ago:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413566/Port-Calais-closed-migrants-storm-harbour-make-Spirit-Britain-ferry-desperate-bid-reach-UK.html

And no, no apologies for linking the Daily Mail - you won't get anything that isn't pro-migrant propaganda from the BBC/Guardian/Independent.

Generosity and altruism can provide benefits to the person being generous and altruistic too. So what? Do you criticise nurses for choosing to do a job that helps others, or the older woman who volunteers in the local charity shop, or indeed the rape counsellor who visits women in the refuge? To reduce what they do to an ego trip or 'virtue signalling' is destructive.
Volunteers in Calais and Greece are also coming back with ptsd. There are personal benefits and costs involved in what they do. And they have saved lives.

Why on earth are you looking into the personal life of emily? It is intrusive and I think also intimidating.

As I have said elsewhere, it is striking how different opinions are viewed with suspicion, and paranoia about secret motives creeps in. I think it mirrors the paranoia and suspicion, and spreading of unsubstantiated assumptions and rumours about whole groups of refugees.

Whether emily lives in the U.K. Or not is irrelevant. I live in the U.K., I still have very strong views about the behaviour of Assad and Isis, regardless of whether or not I personally am threatened.
I also have very strong views about what happens in the USA.

TwistedReach

There is nothing altruistic about encouraging the mass immigration of millions of people into Europe in uncontrolled waves that can only undermine our public services and social cohesion. That is simply signalling your virtue by choosing to help one group of people without concern for the harm you are doing to others.

In the strictest analysis, those encouraging illegal immigration actually have blood on their hands: encouraging more and more people to make the sea crossing, in the full knowledge that a proportion of them will die during it, is stupid and reckless. The Government's policy of establishing safe camps on the borders of conflict zones is far better.