To want p&c spaces to be renamed "easy access" spaces?

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This has been triggered by other threads but also by life events as a person with disabilities and reduced mobility who doesn't fit blue badge criteria.

We all know and love the p&c warriors and I have had the misfortune to be accosted by them in carparks and have had photos of my car plastered on Facebook parking pages as I will use these spaces if they are close to the shops to alleviate fatigue and pain.

Aibu to think there must be a large amount of people like me or with temporary issues like a broken leg or recovering from surgery who could benefit from the rebrand?

I haven't shouted at or reduced anybody to tears. I stated in a previous post that of course if there's no disabled spaces there bb holders are entitled to park in p&c spaces.

So as sad as your story is fairy it's not relevant. Also I don't really care what you think so no I won't mind my own business.

Sirzy everybody has a right to comment on things wether people like it or not.

But sometimes commenting on something can make someone seem like a very inconsiderate, ignorant person.

Sometimes the kind thing to do is to keep your thoughts to yourself and realise that you don't know what is going on in someone's life so it's best to keep your gob shut.

Ah, do you know what, fill your boots, knock yourself out with polite comment, passive aggressive arsewittery or all out shiteyness -whatever floats your self righteous boat

You don't get it and you won't get it, and I for one am too tired for this thread

Starbores it is relevant, because it is exactly what happens when people think they've got the right to go round questioning other people's actions.

You have absolutely no idea why someone has parked there. You have no right to ask.

Why does it have to be either or? Why not have both? P & C spaces are beneficial to people with young families, this responsibility has historically fallen on women. I am really not inclined to do away with something that is beneficial to women

If it makes me seem ignorant, inconsiderate and whatever else I've been called that's fine.

I can assure you fairy that I don't get a clipboard out and start questioning their reasons for parking there.

Like I said everybody thinks they have it worse or harder than the next person.

These spaces are designated for people with children under 8 and I believe under 12 in other places the same as we have taxi only stopping points and bus spaces outside schools. Should people also park there because it makes their life easier?

Ironic really that I'm the one being called entitled when I'm one of the people who these spaces were designed for.

what did you all do before these spaces became available then? They were created for the safety of young children so I would have previously had to put my child's safety at risk.

Also those posters who have tried to insinuate that I have a disablist attitude, I have cared for a family member with dementia who didn't have a bb and currently care for a physically disabled family member a few days a week so I know quite well the challenges those with a disability face and you know what they would never think, because they have a disability that nobody else has a life as hard as them.

I'm done with this thread now as once again nobody must pass comment on anything as we don't know what the other persons going through. We should shut mumsnet down really as its full of people doing just that.

That's rather like an "I'm not a racist but" comment. You have shown a great deal of ignorance on this thread and no amount of justification on your behalf will change that. Your attitude is exactly why some people have a problem with parent and child spades in the first place

what did you all do before these spaces became available then?

Well, I had my children 21 &19 years ago. I, also, had a disability that I didn't get a blue badge for until 15 years ago. We had an estate car, 2 in car seats and there was 2 or 3 (if you were lucky) P&C spaces, so we hardly ever got one.

We managed! As did every other parent! Amazing isn't it?

I completely agree with sirzy's'post at 16:38.

If someone challenged my son's use of a p and c space, I think I would take their photo and share it on Facebook.

Ok sirzy I'm making disablist comments now am I? I suggest you report my posts and see if hq agree.

You may believe that I have displayed ignorance whilst I believe you have displayed entitlement and lack the ability to see that others, not just yourself, may also have struggles in life.

My attitude/opinion? That parent and children should be able to use parent and child spaces? Radical.

Spot on Sirzy.

Sirzy is not entitled for wanting to use P&C spaces due to her DS having poor mobility. Just how bloody ignorant can you be?

the problem lies with policing the spaces.

I have a blue badge for 3 children. I boycotted a certain red, white and blue supermarket as the majority of the blue badge parking spaces were being used by their able bodied staff. I had had enough one night after watching yet another member of staff (in uniform) pull into a space that was meters away from the door. Barged into shop and demanded to see a manager. The manager was the offender and just smirked in my face when i complained.

if I can't park in a BB with dd I park in a pc one.
Ihope no one ever has a go . as her big brother would rip them a new one

It is perfectly reasonable for someone with an older disabled child to think their need for the space is at least as great as someone with a baby. Nothing entitled about that.

I am not saying anyone else doesn't struggle. Nor am I judging other people.

All I am asking if people think before they judge.

If a space is free great use it, if not park elsewhere. It's that simple. Don't get yourself wound up about others when you don't know what those others are living. Just pick the space that best meets your needs from those that are free.

Sirzy pointing out that it's a p&c space to those without children isn't really judging its stating the obvious.

Obviously I do park elsewhere if I need to but I can't help getting worked up when my children and other children's safety is put at risk by people being inconsiderate. You are putting your child first and that's fair enough but you can't honestly believe most using the p&c spaces have a disability?

Nobody will answer my question regarding taxi spaces, double yellows outside a school or bus spaces outside a school. It would make many people's lives easier being able to park in these even though your not supposed to so would you all think that was ok?

That really compares to using a closer space for mobility reasons.

Nobody can park in those spaces. P and c spaces are spaces available to park in.

Those spaces would also provide easier access for those with mobility issues which is why I'm asking the question fanjo don't know what's confusing about that.

Haddock so a sign saying taxis only is not comparable with a sign saying p&c only?

My tesco has taxi spaces in the same are as p&c and bb spaces. Perfect example of how people have insinuated on this thread that unless you have a permenant or temporary disability you don't deserve something that makes your life easier.

Anyone can use a taxi. You don't get told you can't because your child is too old.

You are the one saying other people can't use p and c spaces.

yes if you have severe spd or indeed any spd don't be a martyr, use the spaces! If the places were easy access then anyone who needs them, be it for a sprained ankle or tetraplegic, could use them

It's not being a martyre, it's being considerate! Someone with a baby needs that space far more than someone with SPD or a sprain!
I spent 6months on crutches when I had SPD and managed fine without taking up P&C spaces! Why would I need additional space around the car? If there were no spaces near the store my DH would drop me off at the entrance and I'd wait while he parked. When alone I just took my time if I had to walk a bit further. Painful yes, but why should I prevent a parent being able to get their baby safely out of the car just for my own comfort?

My aunt uses a wheelchair when her arthritis is bad, she does not have a Blue Badge. When I take her shopping we park in a normal space, I unfold wheelchair and help her into it, then wheel her into the store! Why would we need the additional space?? Her wheelchair is stored in the boot, unlike a baby-seat. She would be mortified to take up a space that a parent might need.

It is utterly selfish to take up a parking space that has been designated to a particular group of vulnerable people (parents with young children).
Unless you are physically unable to use a normal space (in which case you would qualify for a Blue Badge?) don't use a P&C space and expect people not to despise you.
I see it all the time and it makes my blood boil!

The spaces are not 'easy access spaces' and unless this changes people will continue to shame you and post photos of your car online. You are wrongly using a space that is designated for another group!

It's challenging enough being a new parent, struggling with screaming baby, car-seat, pram-chassis and adaptors, trying to get it all out of the car and put it together while keeping baby safe from passing traffic. Yet you think having a 'sprained ankle' should entitle someone to use one of these spaces? How ridiculous.

Not everyone with mobility difficulties needs a wheelchair.