to be worried about my daughter's future safety in Europe as a young secular woman?

[rodriguez66]

I have a 6 year old daughter. I can't stop worrying about whether it will be safe for her in Europe in the future as a young woman after the sexual assaults all over Europe. I hate to think that she would not be able to enjoy the freedoms I take for granted as a woman and I do not want her to have to hide her femininity because some men cannot control themselves. I want her to be able to dress how she wants when she is older and be able to speak her mind without being scared. Is this completely irrational? My husband thinks I am worrying too much but obviously he is not a woman.

Gangs of criminals are often said to 'run in packs' Pontipines.

Champale yes, the failure of the police is an issue ( see good article below). But it is not the only issue, stop deflecting.

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Ipity, have you thought of how the natives of Hungary and Serbia feel about large groups of aggressive men chanting Allahu Akbar as they smash through their borders? You might want to read up on the Ottoman conquest of that part of the world. People have long memories. The Battle of the Boyne was in 1690 but it is just as provocative today for Ulster Unionists to make a point of marching through Catholic neighbourhoods on the 12th of July.

IPity I see no parallel between tormentil's comments and Nazi anti Semitic propaganda. In fact, I find you comparison pretty offensive.

I see you're on other threads minimising women's concerns about their safety.

""i am fairly sure sexual assault and rape are already crimes""

This is from a Muslim Cleric, Sami Abu-Yusof,
""The events of the New Year is the girls own fault, because they were half naked and wearing perfume""

Posted too soon.

Deportation is the only response to these types of attacks. I've heated it said on Documenteries that Men from certain countries would rather end up in our prison system than live where they are, in the conditions that they do.

I think that on entry, our Laws and Attitudes should be taught, towards Women and the Disabled and deportation is a risk of these are contravened.

The issue of our indigenous population is a different one.

I travelled around Greece and Turkey in the early 80's, a lone woman would/could be dragged off the streets and raped/assaulted and no-one would object. Then the Police would be unhelpful.

I also have relatives from SA.

There's a massive difference to having beliefs and thinking you are justified in assaulting another person.

The rape and sexual assault risk across Africa/Middle East is not something we want bringing to the UK.

"Smash through their borders" Really? I thought you said they were on a train saying Allahu Akbar?

Being a refugee or migrant does not automatically make you a criminal, hence there being no need to refer to people as "running in packs". It is purposely dehumanising language.

I don't think this is like Nazi propaganda. The defecating in the hot tub is disgusting. What is that about?

I don't know why the men who have been arrested and charged for various assaults in Germany have been released. Why aren't they in prison at least? Why isn't there automatic deportation?

No, being a criminal makes you a criminal Pity

yanbu OP
I know sexual assalt isn't new. But that en-masse thing is a new phenomenom in Europe. (I understand it's not unheard of elsewhere in other areas of the world).
I would certainly think twice about walking into a crowd in a station or at a big event at the moment. and that's not something I have ever worried about before. (I may have watched too many links on here, such as the rape of that news reporter in Eygpt) But it is very frightening.

IPity - Please don't dare to compare the description of these men to the treatment of the Jews during the holocaust which is outrageous and offensive. Jews weren't running around raping and terrorising non-Jewish women. Jews were trying to escape from Nazi Germany, not trying to seek asylum there. Presumably if these people are being "dehumanised" the last thing they would be doing is trying to seek asylum there?

The private Muslim school in East London that had books condoning Stoning, the abuse of Women and other punishments, should be able to not answer why they were there.

""Doesn't fit in with our Ethos" and business as usual (accept they've locked the library), shouldn't be acceptable.

Under UK child Law they have abused those children that have seen the books. Why aren't SWs visiting homes etc?

Ipity I watched the live stream on rt.com. There were men rushing border fences and destroying the duty-free shop, throwing rocks and burning tyres at police and yes, chanting Allahu Akbar. I saw ugly scenes on trains with men shoving women and children aside to board. To say "running in packs" is dehumanising, what about circling defenceless women and robbing and sexually assaulting them? Your focus is weird.

""I know sexual assalt isn't new. But that en-masse thing is a new phenomenom in Europe. (I understand it's not unheard of elsewhere in other areas of the world""

It's new in developed countries, but in SA, groups of Men have stormed schools and raped the students. The reaction of the Police?
"" it was just Boys having fun"".

Same across anywhere that Women are left alone, in some parts of the world, that's why a Male chaperone is needed.

Do you consider yourself a moderate Muslim Pity?

Do you have any feminist sense of identity?

I'm finding your stance confusing.

It's now reached the EU because the Men who think it's acceptable, are now in the EU.

That's why people want answers to how this is going to be counter acted.

(Hit send too soon.)

Because all I can hear is absolutely blind, indiscriminate support for fellow Muslims (criminal or not) and none whatsoever for women.

Evilcherub - I dare, because I can see the parallels. Painting an entire ethnic group as subhuman generally doesn't end well.

I have seen the cologne petition wording and given it thought. It's quite scary. I hope it's rejected. It's not helpful for women at all.

Painting an entire ethnic group as subhuman generally doesn't end well.

So the perpetrators of the NYE attacks and similar crimes cannot be criticized? Because to do so Islamaphobia?

I'm flailing around trying to catch your line of argument Pity, because I really want to understand, but I'm coming up with nothing.

In regards to the Cologne attacks, only 8 men have been arrested out of 1000.

People trying to defend migrants are doing genuine refugees no favours by trying to pretend that out of around 700,000 young men, a large number of them NOT refugees, there won't be any criminals, gangs and anti-social elements. Opening the borders to all comers was bound to attract such people; that's one of the reasons why we have borders.

This is one of the reasons why many people became very concerned when they realised the proportion of migrants who were young, unaccompanied males. Having their concerns derided as "racist" and "anti-immigrant", while news outlets such as the Guardian and the BBC tried to pretend that most of the incomers were families has really shocked a lot of people.

IPity Seems to me that it is these immigrant men who are dehumanising non-Muslim women by viewing them as pieces of meat. There are definitely parallels between the dehumanisation of the Jews during WW2 by way of mass planned persecution and the dehumanising of these women in Cologne and other European countries by way of mass planned persecution and sexual assault. I suppose women (especially white European ones) are the new Jews.