Pull ups.....go back 20 years.....

[Janeymoo50]

...or more. Why are so many 3 and 4 year olds in pull ups? I get that there are children with SN, before you all start with my child is this, my child has that. There was a thread recently about bedtime, all kids wore nappies of sorts, until the age of 9, every response said it was normal to have kids in nappies at 6 and over, what the feck is it!!!

pirate me too with my five soon to be six yr old , but these threads annoy me kids generally don't start school. In nappies ok I bet all of ds2 class started in nappies but he goes to a special school it's not easy changing larger children trust me especially when they don't want to be changed so why would anybody do it if they didn't have too?

My DD was not potty trained until she was just three. This wasn't for lack of trying, she just wasn't ready. She continued to have accidents at least once per week during nursery, but probably only had one a term in reception. She is now six years and three months and has just come out of pull ups at bedtime as she was starting to have a few dry nights in a row. Last week she wet the bed four times. I have started to wake her up at 10pm for a wee and that has done the trick since saturday, but we're taking each day as it comes.

It is a homone that kicks in you know, not lazy parenting or whatever nonsense people spout. I even had one person telling me to get her on desmopressin when she was four and still bed wetting! Doctors do not even consider this until a child is over seven, if at all. My daughter went through two years of very serious UTI's, one of which landed her in hospital. Speaking to the specialist urologist, he had no concerns about her not being dry at night and said it was a lot more common than people think. 1 in 5 children are still not dry at night by age six. This isn't a tiny percentage by any means!

Threads like this are just stupid and ill informed. I have never made it an issue and my daughter has never been under any pressure. She has had sleepovers with friends who aren't in pull ups and I've thankfully never come across a parent as ridiculous as you who thinks it's a 'thing'. Nor have I ever come across another child who has judged her about it.

In England. He has tablets but they dont work. Specialist hasnt blamed bad parenting but says poor bladder training has helped him.

Everytimeref

You sure do sprout a lot of rubbish. No doctor is going to say a child of 14 bedwets becuase of "Poor potty training".

Here we go, here's your post.

bed wetting can become a habit and the discomfort of a wet bed is important it stopping it happening.
DSS also finds it difficult to control his bladder during the day and still has accidents if anxious
that there is no toilet available. The specialist believes this is party due to poor potty training and over use of pull ups.

I have some advice:

At least make the story believable, do some research to help. The "specialist doctor" would be called a urologist or a continuance nurse, neither would have said anything about the overuse of pullups at 14.

Bed wetting can become a habit and the discomfort of a wet bed is important it stopping it happening.

and then the aliens came down, zapped your 14 year old and took him back to venus.

I very much doubt anyone will read it, as ognorant people normally don't like to actually be informed but ERIC has this nice guide

Pirate

everytimeref I call bullshit. How convenient that your DSS is the one with the problem in this 'story', and not your own DC so the 'poor potty training' doesnt lie with you

I was dry day and night at 2, as was my DS.

However I remember my mum and dad getting my brother and sister out of bed at 11pm every night to do a wee until they were well into junior school!

Ds2 is 5, nearly 6. He's been toilet trained since age 2, 100% reliably.

In the day that is...he still wears pull ups at night because he's not reliable and probably 50/50 whether he wees or not. He's a 5 year old that is on the constant go, all day, and falls into a deep sleep at night, too deep to always wake up when his bladder tells him.

Why is that a problem? It's perfectly understandable to me.

Bottom line is you can't compare today with 20 years ago - that's just stupid. Everyone's moved on now.

My DH was potty-trained very early (before 18 months). But that was typical of the time and place he grew up. He and his family lived in a communal apartment in the Soviet Union, with no access to a washing machine and shared use of the kitchen and loo. There was a powerful incentive for parents in that situation to encourage early training. You could say that my MIL was "lazy" because she wanted to stop washing dirty nappies by hand as soon as she possibly could. (FWIW, a less lazy person would be hard to find.)

It's really not a big deal if potty training happens later nowadays, is it? And as many PPs have pointed out, staying dry at night isn't the same as being trained during the day.

What happened to that fad from a few years ago for parents to hold small babies over a pot and say 'psss psss pss'? That really fizzled out quickly.

Isn't it nicer for the DC to be potty trained if they are capable of it? However comfortable it is I just don't believe it's that nice being in a damp (or worse) nappy.

My dd was an early 80's baby. I started potty training at 2.5 and she got that pretty fast during the day. At night she wasn't dry till after her 4th birthday. If there'd have been pull ups I'd have used them. As it was I used Pampers, which often didn't absorb a night's worth of wee.

I think there were probably as many kids with problems as there are now but instead of having kids who are having accidents in school hours, they might well wear pull ups till they are more able to control their bladders.

I'm sure there are a minority who can't be bothered to potty train, but most, I imagine just have kids who aren't ready yet or are struggling a bit.

Where are these supposed children starting school in nappies?
The truth is they don't exist.

The official figure of 1600 starting school in nappies means for every 10 schools there is just under one child in nappies....

That's far far less than the intake of children with SN.

Where are all these children of lazy parents, where are these kids in nappies?

They just don't exist at all.

I really hate smug, judgy threads like this.
My children were dry day and night from the age of 2 so everyone else who doesn't do the same must be lazy or incompetent.
Do you also take the credit for your children walking or talking by the time they were 1? Or maybe crow about how good a parent you are because your child's teeth all came through by the time they started school?
It's bollocks!

Some kids make these developmental stages earlier than others - it doesn't mean they have better parents. I suspect there were more dry beds because more children were being lifted during the night to avoid the need for washing. That doesn't make them dry at night!

Also school entrance has changed. I started school at Easter as I was a summer baby. Children used to start full time education in the term they turned 5. We've now got children starting school who've only just turned 4. Nursery for me was only a couple of mornings a week - and I remember kids still had accidents back then. Mums were far more likely to be at home with their children so it was a lot easier for parents to be able to potty train their children. There were plenty of parents holding their babies over potties to catch the wees because it saved on washing. It didn't make them potty trained.

The truth is:

1. no children are wearing nappies during the day at school age without good reason.

2. Bedwetting statistics are almost identical around the world and are more or less the same as 20 years ago.

What exactly has supposedly increased?

Threads like this don't make sense...

I WAS ON A THREAD ABOUT BEDWETTING ADVICE... AND WOULDN'T YOU KNOW THE PARENTS ALL HAD KIDS WHO WET THE BED!
... well yeah... that's given.

I suspect that without pullups is just be washing dd's bed sheets every day. She's fine in the day but wet at night, just like around 1 in 15 developmentally normal 7 year olds.

My little brother is 50, and wet the bed regularly until he was at least 7. I never did. My DD1 also wet the bed until she was 7ish but none of her brothers or sister ever did.

We lived with my DM briefly when DD2 was 2.5 and had no end of moaning from all DM's friends about DD being in nappies. Having failed miserably with her sister I wasn't going to put her through the same stress.

I don't actually remember how old DD2 was when she came out of nappies (it's that unimportant in the grand scale of things). I do know she was older than her sister, but was dry at night at the same time, plus she wasn't wearing nappies on her 1st day at school.

20 years ago I potty trained a 3year old. (I was a nanny)
they wore pull ups at night as 'I'm not a baby anymore'
daytime it was pants (and bucket/mop).
I think they are great for transition.

....and the point of this thread is?
That you are right and everyine else is wrong?
As Jason has shown, statistically your comments are incorrect.
Anecdotes do not = data

It's so nice to hear so many people call bullshit on that children in nappies at school thing. Has really cheered me up!