Pull ups.....go back 20 years.....

[Janeymoo50]

...or more. Why are so many 3 and 4 year olds in pull ups? I get that there are children with SN, before you all start with my child is this, my child has that. There was a thread recently about bedtime, all kids wore nappies of sorts, until the age of 9, every response said it was normal to have kids in nappies at 6 and over, what the feck is it!!!

I'm familiar with that article, and the implications. There is a huge difference between gentle EC and coercive potty training methods. My dd is my fifth child and she has dealt with pottying much easier and with less stress than my older dc who were trained with stickers and other rewards. To each their own.

OP you might like to look at the phrasing of your posts.

Your ignorance is showing.

I potty trained Dd mid 90s at ,2
5 and mum thought that was lazy parenting and she was still in night nappies for a while at night times change and some kids can't tell they are needing to go at night way past 3 or 4 my friends son was wetting the bed early primary far better they are in pull ups than wet sheets I guess.

www.eric.org.uk has excellent advice for anyone worried about this topic. About a quarter of all infant school children are not dry at night.

Nighttime dryness depends on a number of factors:

• size of bladder (a child with a larger bladder is more likely to be able to hold urine overnight)
• how deeply the child sleeps (a lighter sleeper is more likely to wake when they need a wee)
• production of the hormone vasopressin, which suppresses urine production overnight

None of these are actually related to using a pull up or how articulate your child is

Op, you've obviously been very lucky not to have a constant bed wetter for a child. My children wore pull ups at night until they were old enough to be prescribed medication. They wore pull ups as it was less distressing for them than waking wet in the middle of the night and being constantly tired because of this. My 4yo is still in pull ups too at night.

But go ahead and judge if it makes you feel better. My children feel shit enough about it themselves without random strangers judging.

I felt pressure to potty train iat 18months it was really stressful dd would hold it in and pee herself I would say things like big girls wee on the toilet blah blah the poor kid just wasn't ready just back then it was the norm that's why o gave up and did it at 2 and a half

I grew up in the 1970s and was still wetting the bed when I was at secondary school. I also had daytime accidents until I was at least 7 or 8.

No pull ups just meant getting screamed at by my mum for creating more washing (we had one of those twin tub washing machines) and punished regularly.

We certainly didn't drink squash (sugar free or otherwise). It was water or nothing.

I was also considered to be bright. (Sadly that had worn off by adulthood).

There was no golden age where all children were magically dry day and night by the age of two. The reason you didn't see untrained children at preschools was because they weren't allowed to go. The reason you didn't hear about the night wetting was because it was considered far too shameful to mention.

What I don't understand is why does anyone care what age other people's children come out of nappies. I really don't believe that there's some big epidemic of school age children in nappies.

Times change, there are probably lots of reasons why.

For one I think parenting is more child led these days. I can remember at nursery school 27 years ago children wetting themselves often. These children today might be classed as not quite ready. We tend to be more child led in lots of ways. We don't feed babies on schedules anymore, we don't wean early to make them sleep through.

Convenience, disposable nappies probably mean people are less frantic to get their dc toilet trained.

Parents working away from the home likely make toilet training a bit more tricky. Also modern private nurseries have changing facilities.

We have much more understanding of child development and disabilities.

None of these are necessarily bad things just a sign of the times. Personally most children I've known are still out of nappies by around 2.5. Bed wetting has always happened, it has to do with a hormone that has to develop.

Some people always want to get all up in arms about something when actually it really doesn't matter.

Ffs what's with the revelling in your own ignorance and self-righteousness? Does it make you feel good? I have a bright nt nearly 6yo in night nappies because the hormones that govern night seeing haven't kicked in yet. His dad was the same, amazingly enough he is nearly 40. His parents didn't put him in pullups, they changed the sheets every night instead. How much better things were 35 years ago, eh. Congratulating yourself for your child no longer wearing nappies is like congratulating yourself for them learning to chew. Idiocy of the first order.

Night weeing, even! Night seeing hormones would be awesome.

I used to work in a nursery school late 80s early 90s and i was changing 3/4 yr olds often we had a cupboard full of spare clothes and pants and you discreetly handed wet clothes to pick up person more often than not kid would get a tut and marched out by a dissapointed adult .

There isn't pyjama it's incredibly rare for a child to start mainstream school.in nappies my friends son did he has global development delay and a statement he is the only child ever apparently in the history of the school ( the school celebrated its 50th anniversary last year) to start reception in nappies my son yr 1 is also in nappies but he goes to a special needs school I cannot imagine a typical 5/6 yr old would be happy about being in nappies either

Jesus.

Kids have ALWAYS wet the bed. Pullups just make it easier on both the parent and child. My kids were both potty 'trained' by 3 (I didn't 'train' them - they did it themselves, when they were ready) but both of them still wet the bed at 6 and 8. As I did. Its hereditary. The difference now is that we have more help.

I was cured by an enuresis alarm c1982 when I was 8 - the old fashioned kind (metal sheets between the normal sheets and a great big f*ck off buzzer) It went off constantly, whether I was wet or not. I got little sleep but I stopped bedwetting. We've tried that on my eldest. (much more high tech these days) It didn't work - he doesn't wake up. We are now on a strict routine as well as the hormone supplements and for the most part its working but believe me, neither me nor him wants to wake up to a soaking wet bed every morning.

DS1 is nearly 9. He doesn't WANT to wet the bed. He's not doing it on purpose. I'm not babyfying him by 'making' him wear pullups, I'm just trying to make a difficult situation more tolerable. I can't train him to wake up and go to the toilet - we tried that without success, but I can give him the tools to improve the situation which is why we've been seeing specialists for the last two years. He is doing really well on his new routine, with the assistance of his teachers as well who make sure as far as they can, that he drinks when he should and goes to the loo when he's supposed to.

It IS normal. I will not let him feel ashamed of something that is out of his control. Like I was.

The only children who started my daughter's school in nappies would have been at special school in the 1990s without a doubt. One child in question is still in nappies in year 2 due to disability.

I haven't met these legions of leaking 6 year olds.

b) some people just like to judge "parents nowadays".

Yes, yes. And 30 odd years ago when my DS1 was little, we were judged for using the new fandangled disposable nappies. DS was born in 1986 and most of his friends at age 2 were girls (most of my friendship group had DD's) and there was lots of rivalry around potty training at 2.

downstairsmixup my younger child doesn't talk much but is far more capable with her clothes and the potty than her extremely verbal and articulate brother was at the same age there is just no way of knowing

Everytimeref I don't know if someone else has answered your post, but I'd seriously consider getting a second opinion from a consultant Eurologist.

Perhaps your DC is already taking them, but there are very, very good drugs available now which will help (and very possibly totally control) your DC's daytime and nighttime problems. Please don't leave this untreated. I'm concerned that the advice you've been given does not sound up to date at all.

janeymoo my child is articulate and bright.

ReallyTired do you think that these 'leaking 6 year olds' or their parents are likely to tell you?

She just isn't dry at night and for whatever reason won't poo in a toilet.

Yes also bright and articulate children can have sn.

"ReallyTired do you think that these 'leaking 6 year olds' or their parents are likely to tell you?"

You are right, but dd had had plenty of friends round to play and none of them have yet weed on the carpet. One very excited child did wet himself at Dd's birthday party, but that is hardly the end of the world. There might be one or two still in night nappies, but it is really a non problem and no one's business.

As far as the nappy mountain goes, I am sure that one day landfill will be mined for oil or the nappies will be burnt to make electricity. Not great for the greenhouse affect.

"Dd is 4 and still wet at night.
She was dry at 2, is an extremely intelligent and Independent child.
She has dressed hersekf from well before 2 and now will shower, wash her hair and dress all by herself."

Snap Ledkr. Perfect description of my DD. I could get her out of bed at midnight to sit her on the toilet, but who does that benefit? She would never wee in pull ups whilst awake, but can't control it while she is sleeping.