to object to MNHQ forcing a MALE/FEMALE gender binary on my account.

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I don't have any GENDER.

My MN account forces me to pick from two 'genders'.

I can't even opt out, it's a forced binary choice.

I'm not agender, pangender, cisgender, transgender, male gender, female gender or ANY GENDER.

If you want to know my sex, I am happy to provide that information. But you'll have to add that in as a field, because it doesn't exist currently.

Sex and gender are not the same thing. If you insist on collecting data by gender and making it a forced choice I would like an option as follows:

"Reject gender as a harmful, made up, bullshit concept".

Then when you analyse your account database you can say
X% identify as female gender
Y% identify as male gender
Z% reject gender as a bullshit concept.

AIBU to request MNHQ to alter my account details so that they do not misrepresent me?

ChiefClerk, with every respect, you're being unrealistic. If a transwoman goes into a Ladies' toilet, the reality is that she can and will do so unchallenged, because no-one will ever know. Who is going to start challenging other users? There are, after all, women who have quite masculine-looking features. The notion that segregated toilets are there in order to protect women from those dreadful transwomen who might or might not have (horrors) penises simply doesn't bear any examination.

Quite possibly, I have probably shared a space with a trans woman and not noticed. They are just getting on with it, as most people are. However, if one was exposing their penis whilst urinating (this is hypothetical, I know, as most women's toilets don't have urinals) then yes, it would be horror of horrors. I don't want to see that.
If one was changing in a female changing room and exposing their penis, yes I would object. This is really unlikely scenario as I think most would not want to do such a thing and probably would go to great lengths to avoid this, for their sake and the sake of others.

However, if the law changes and a trans woman, who still had their penis, decided to get fully naked in a women's changing room, then the women in there would be breaking the law if they objected. Is this acceptable? Again, I'm not saying all trans women would do this, of course not, most would not do this.

Another scenario is that males with the intention of assaulting/exposing themselves/being voyeurs will use the gender based toilets to do just these things. And they will be protected in law against any woman who objects to their presence in a female space. Again I stress, not most men, but those who already have the intention of doing so will have yet another avenue in which to do it.

Mrs Hathaway I think the op is being castigated for not contributing enough/at all to those threads, or curing cancer apparently

how can I challenge that without being accused of being transphobic?

I'm not sure you can limited.

ego, you seem to have come on to the thread to direct the discussion. If you aren't interested in this discussion then you don't join in. But you don't get to silence the posters on this thread who are interested.

Fucks sake...

Ego, you asked if there was one, there is.

Does nothing make you happy?

Ego
It is a thread about me rejecting gender, asking MNHQ not to force one upon me.

what's your objection to me rejecting gender? Why can't you support this position?

It is not about transwomen.

However it is usual to be naked in communal changing rooms. If I have to use a mixed-sex room and am concerned that a male-bodied person is exposing their penis or is staring at naked female bodies for gratification, how can I challenge that without being accused of being transphobic?

I take it therefore that it doesn't bother you if a female-bodied person is staring at naked female bodies for gratification?

Frankly I'm not keen on anyone in a communal changing room looking at my body, which is why I tend to avoid them if I can. But if you do use them, again the reality is that in a women-only changing room there is every chance that transwomen will be using them and you will not find out. Because transwomen in changing rooms are probably just changing like everyone else, and plenty of women using such rooms can and do change their lower halves without exposing them to public view. Contrary to the view propagated by some people round here, transwomen mostly tend to get on with their lives and are do not spend every waking moment lusting after women and trying to find opportunities to rape them.

Bertie, you've pretty much summed up how I feel. With one slight alteration - I don't think innate gender is real, but definitely recognise socialised gender.

ego, you seem to have come on to the thread to direct the discussion. If you aren't interested in this discussion then you don't join in. But you don't get to silence the posters on this thread who are interested.

On the contrary, it seems to me that it is Ego who is being shouted down.

Most people don't realise that the vast majority of trans women have penises and many want to keep them. They see themselves as "lesbians" and complain that it's transphobia for lesbian women to refuse to sleep with them, despite the penis. There's a good chance that a considerable proportion of them are middle aged sexual fetishists who get off on the idea of themselves as women, rather than the troubled suicidal teenagers the media portrays. It's not how most people frame the issue.

Most people just don't understand why this is a threat to women. They are ignorant. It is because in the name of "inclusivity" this involves housing paedophile rapists or violent thugs with penises in prisons with women and in effect allowing any man who feels like it to be in intimate, sex segregated spaces with women. What could possibly go wrong?

So you did!

Perhaps the regular posters were all contributing to the multiple threads in news? I've no idea.

Wrt trans issues being discussed "more". Honestly I think it's because transactivists have shouted loudly and caught people's attention, caught the attention of the media and become something of a hot potato.

And lo, a transwoman arrived and told us what we were talking about, what we weren't talking about, and what we should be talking about.

I am not trying to silence. I'm just struggling to understand why transwomen seem to provoke more debate than other issues.

Then start a thread about it and stop derailing. I'd happily explain why my perspective on a different thread, but here the conversation is about 'sex' being replaced by 'gender', particularly on mumsnet.

Yanbu
I'm not transphobic and I am a feminist. I don't want females as a social class to be eradicated. Erasing sex as a classification and replacing it with gender which is subjective and largely irrelevant is damaging to women.
Maybe not on mumsnet but in cases where sex based crime statistics are required to provide an analysis of the risk faced by females due to their biology.
When sites like mumsnet use gender when they mean sex it's one more nail in the coffin of linguistic accuracy which goes towards the erasing of females as a social class distinct from males.

Ego I think that the question the op is raising is a good one. We are in the middle of big changes re transpeople. Laws are getting changed to avoid (rightly) discrimination.
it is essential that, at these times, we are becoming extremely careful about the way we use words, in particular, we need to be careful about using the word gender and sex. They are not interchangeable when, in the past, we have been used to use one or the other indiscreminantely.

This is aboout protecting everyone. Not just women or men or trans.

Great then Ego, we're in agreement.

I'd be very happy to leave trans out of the argument entirely. This thread is about not categorising people in ways that are factually untrue and to which they object.

I answered your question properly (I think), Ego in my last post.

ego YOU are doing this! You said you'd been told more than once that an issue isn't all about you: do you ever stop and wonder why?

Don't tell posters on a thread what they're 'really' talking about!