to object to MNHQ forcing a MALE/FEMALE gender binary on my account.

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I don't have any GENDER.

My MN account forces me to pick from two 'genders'.

I can't even opt out, it's a forced binary choice.

I'm not agender, pangender, cisgender, transgender, male gender, female gender or ANY GENDER.

If you want to know my sex, I am happy to provide that information. But you'll have to add that in as a field, because it doesn't exist currently.

Sex and gender are not the same thing. If you insist on collecting data by gender and making it a forced choice I would like an option as follows:

"Reject gender as a harmful, made up, bullshit concept".

Then when you analyse your account database you can say
X% identify as female gender
Y% identify as male gender
Z% reject gender as a bullshit concept.

AIBU to request MNHQ to alter my account details so that they do not misrepresent me?

ChiefClerk, with every respect, you're being unrealistic. If a transwoman goes into a Ladies' toilet, the reality is that she can and will do so unchallenged, because no-one will ever know. Who is going to start challenging other users? There are, after all, women who have quite masculine-looking features. The notion that segregated toilets are there in order to protect women from those dreadful transwomen who might or might not have (horrors) penises simply doesn't bear any examination.

Can't remember who sorry, but someone posted about having toilets which are more like standalone rooms which can be m/f and indeed wheelchair accessible rather than rooms with many cubicles in them.

I've seen those in some local restaurants and think they're a great idea. Everyone is happy and afforded rather more privacy than we are now, however we identify.

It was me. Yes, this is the sort of thing I have seen. We have them where I work, a single disabled access cubicle, in addition to male/female toilets. I have no problem using a single cubicle meant for both sexes, of course not, but it's not the same as having to share a space with others of the opposite sex.

And now I really do have to leave the convo, been drawn in to this again when I have work to do!

I mean it was hardly a surprise that once a formerly female-only space was designated as sex-neutral, some men would invade it in order to perv on and intimidate women.

And you're right gruntled women-only spaces aren't a magic shield against predatory men, but they do make it easier to challenge them.

What happens if someone with a penis is exposing it to me in order to alarm or intimidate me in a unisex loo and the person with the penis says to me, or the security guard I call: 'I don't mean anything. She has a dirty mind. She shouldn't be looking.'

The same as what happens if a man exposes his penis to anyone anywhere with the intention of alarming and intimidating them. Unisex public toilets don't have urinals, so it's not the norm for either sex to expose their genitalia in them.

www.osha.gov/Publications/OSHA3795.pdf

Meanwhile, in other news, cancer still hasn't been cured ...

Sorry, the first part of my post was to Joan

Great posts Riviera. There is so much wrong with it all I don't know where to start.

OP sorry if I've missed this, but is this something you've changed your mind about since you joined? Because I joined less than a year ago and didn't bother to fill in any boxes except first name, user name and email address (I just checked my account details)

So for new members anyway, that's not insisted upon.
(I understand that your issue is that they won't let you CHANGE it now, but just wanted to point out that people don't have to give a "gender" in the first place if they don't want to)

did you miss these threads
"1000 men sexually assaulting and raping women in Germany in 1 night. Nothing on Chat, AIBU or FWR."

PART FIVE!!

Ego
I'm not debating transwomen. I'm debating the trend towards forcing gender categories upon people that don't want it.

I'm asking not to be described by gender at all.
Do you object to me representing myself this way? Or do you wish I would shut up and sit down and 'pick my gender'.
you know better than many that sex and gender are not the same, and that forcing a gender upon someone is damaging. I'm not objecting to you describing yourself as the gender you feel you are. Can't you support me in saying I do not have a gender identity at all, only a biological sex?

Completely agree with you Chief!

I appreciate that people who are invested in gender feel that they are being helpful by pointing out that there is a term - agender - which they use to denote people who don't identify with a gender.

The problem for gender critical folk with the term agender is that it implies that being without gender is a special status, that it's different to somebody who identifies as cisgender or as transgender or as genderfluid. Which, of course, is the entire point, and makes sense if you believe in gender theory.

The gender critical viewpoint though doesn't really align here. If you are gender critical then you don't only believe that you are without gender, yourself, but that everyone is without gender. Therefore, the label agender doesn't make sense. As a gender critic you'd be saying that everyone is agender, which makes the prefix meaningless.

If you wanted to have a halfway house it would make more sense to assume the majority of people are agender unless specified otherwise rather than assuming the majority of people are cisgender unless specified otherwise. I don't think that fits with either group's beliefs, though.

it doesnt need to be in chat / aibu / etc - its already in news and was trending and people can talk about it there I dont even know what FWR is ?

Unisex public toilets don't have urinals, so it's not the norm for either sex to expose their genitalia in them.

I wasn't aware if that.

However it is usual to be naked in communal changing rooms. If I have to use a mixed-sex room and am concerned that a male-bodied person is exposing their penis or is staring at naked female bodies for gratification, how can I challenge that without being accused of being transphobic?

What is FWR?

OP you are bonkers. you need other things to worry about. What a stupid thread.

The Cologne/Helsinki thread is on to its fifth or sixth thread (5000+ posts) Ego. I think it is in In The News.

"Gender is a ridiculous patriarchal construct based on stereotypes" is this sentence straight out of the crazy feminist handbook of stock phrases ? I thought it was a joke.

I really don't know whether I checked a box on purpose or by accident, or whether it once said sex and now says gender, or whether I did it years ago or whilst I was fiddling with my account this week. I just know that I noticed the category, thought, nope, but couldn't uncheck the box (I think it's called a radio button? You have to be male or female).
I'd like the option to opt out, if MNHQ don't intend this to mean sex.

If "FWR" is feminism then yes, there's a discussion about Cologne, Ego

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights

If not, please tell me what FWR stands for because I've no idea