To not get schools issue with dyed hair?

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I suspect I may get flamed for this but I genuinely do not get it.
They have a rule against earrings including sleepers. That I get especially with younger children or in sports were children can end up getting them at worst ripped out.

I can kind of even get extreme haircuts with big shaved stars or strange styles that look unprofessional and might not be allowed by adults in a professional work place.

But this week and last term several of senior age children who had dyed hair brown/red/dark purple etc were sent home from school to re dye or put in isolation by teachers with errr brown/red/purple dyed hair! One of the children's teacher has bright purple hair. It does not make her any less of a English teacher or lesson her professionalism in school I don't reckon so what is the problem for teens?

Children are not so dumb that they can't see that workplaces operate on a different plane from home or the zoo or a soft play centre. The idea that they need training in school to wear uniform later in life, or to comply with dress codes in a workplace doesn't fly and that is demonstrated by the experience of places where children don't wear uniform. The vast majority will understand where their own best interests lie when they get there. (Yes of course we all know idiots who think they can show up to work late, dress inappropriately, behave rudely to customers or clients or colleagues, pick their noses in public, etc., but they are a minority and clearly a lifetime of wearing uniform in school hasn't taught them much. The reason they stand out is that most other people are happy to go along and get along.)

"I have known them to prevent children leaving detention when the child has a medical appointment and that annoys me no end."

I'd instruct my son to simply leave and if force was used to prevent him it would be a complaint to the local authority and the police.

Apparently, according to some people (including, rather worryingly, a lot of teachers, if this thread is anything to go by) British, or English children certainly, are that dumb, math . Who knew?

Brightside
I'd instruct my son to simply leave and if force was used to prevent him it would be a complaint to the local authority and the police.

Not sure why you would instruct your son to do this as you have said many times that your son will not be attending after school detentions.

culture
No, I did not say that it was acceptable for parents to disrupt classes whenever they felt like it and it makes no sense for you to infer that from what I did actually write.
I commented on what I considered to be an overreaction involving security personnel to a parent coming into the classroom becuase they want their child to be taught in a lesson.
No indication of a non molestation order which needed to be adhered to, or anyone trying to cause harm.
Excluding children from a classroom because of the colour or style of their hair is ludicrous.
And jumping up and down about these issues makes some teachers look fragile of ego and terribly controlling.

mathanxiety absolutely.

Oh no if they walk out they let them go. And put them in isolation as punishment the next day instead and any time in isolation during the year means they are not allowed on trips or selection box at Christmas etc.

Of course the real rebels don't give a crap.
The kids who get detention who are normally good but have forgotten homework/pe kit/kit list etc would be really bothered by that.

Mine has a two week timetable so different lessons each week, a huge kit list and masses of homework and struggles due to additional needs with planning and organisation but I still punished.

The problem is Lord you can say you won't allow this or that but they will just find another way of punishing them.

*is still punished.

I fail to understand how any teacher could support what is happening in your DC's school, OP. Sounds shocking. Reading stories like this - well, slightly bonkers though Lord might sound, you can see why he thinks as he does.

"All in all you're just a-nother brick in the wall"

And jumping up and down about these issues makes some teachers look fragile of ego and terribly controlling.

The teachers don't make the rules.

How would you 'instruct' him if he has been kept behind..... By telepathy? Or let me guess your a 'my child must have a mobile phone on them at all times its there Human right.....' Parent.
You would be better off not sending junior to the schools that have these clear rules as you don't agree with them.... Your feet wouldn't touch the ground with our head and the rules are very much enforced.....I never understand parents who sign up for the school and its ethos, want the excellent results and community then goad their children into butting heads with slt. The kids don't appreciate it, are often desperately unhappy and their limited time with us is not a happy experience..

About a hundred years back on the thread, someone made the comment that a child dying her hair a pale silver was disruptive because 'it caused a stir in the room this morning'.

I thought this was very funny, because it's such a tiny 'disruption' and I thought it didn't justify the point made.

However, my witty comment made no sense at all because there have been so many posts in between.

As you were [sulks]

The thing I find difficult in the OP is the double standards.

As I set out earlier, in the secondary schools I am familiar with there are 'graded' dress and hair codes for pupils and staff - with pupils up to Y11 not being allowed dyed hair and having a strict uniform, Y12 and Y13 having a more relaxed dress code with some uniform items and being allowed discreet hair dye in natural shades, and staff having a dress code with no uniform items and being allowed any natural hair dye (however far from their own colour) but not e.g. pink.

But until the link in public perception between uniform adherence / pupil appearance and school quality is broken, schools will continue to make choices that make their pupils 'more uniform', as in the public mind that is very clearly (if totally erroneously) linked to a 'good school with strong discipline that will allow my child to learn free of trouble-making in class'. And as parents tend to want no disruption in class, they will tend to believe that a schiool with a smarter uniform is 'better'.

That use of 'very standardised uniform and pupil presentation' to create a particular public image is most clearly seen in events which have a mixed audience of 'middle ranking private primary / prep schools' and state schools - I go to a couple every year. The private schools will, universally, have a smarter, more expensive, more complex uniform than is more rigidly enforced (locally, plaid kilt = private). A few very high-flying private schools do not have to do this because they have reputations that do not rely on 'appearance' to maintain them, but we don't have any of those locally. The state school children will be clad in more assorted, practical uniforms of sweatshirts, polo shirts and varied grey or black skirts and trousers. What is the private school uniform for if not for 'public show' - look, we are a private school full of naice children, who will all follow the rules, pay money to join us and your children will never have to associate with badly-behaved children ever again...

I didnt say they made the rules. Nobody really thinks that teachers make the rules. That is not the point is it.
Some people vigorously defend these rules. And vehemently uphold the rights to dish out punishments for breaking the rules
I find that makes people seem, as I said; fragile of ego and terribly controlling.

anandale quite.
So the issue is that pupils may not cause "disruption" by their appearance being notable?
It makes no sense.

for you anandale

Its my Job to make sure the rules are followed and appropriate punishments dished out....nothing to do with my ego or controlling behaviour. Parents sign a contract and the school expects it to be upheld. They support families in hardship if they need help with shoes and correct uniform....

Sorry wannabe your tone on this thread suggests otherwise.

Sorry wannabe your tone on this thread suggests otherwise.

Care to give some examples?

I'm always interested to see how teachers having to carry out an aspect of their job that they, without exception in my experience find mind-numbingly tedious and an impediment to getting with actual teaching and learning, is actually a function of their maladjusted minds.

When they say they have the right to hand out punishments, it is because their school says it has. Not their choice.

When they as you say, defend the rules, they are merely pointing out the fact that there are penalties attached to picking and choosing which rules you choose to obey.

can you give some examples?
Sure.

Felicity I am neither fragility ego or terribly controlling but I uphold the rules of my school because that's what people in employment do. They uphold the rules their companies set.

I stand by my original post that uniform Is a good thing. After this thread today I asked my year 9 class - top set 32 pupils - 25 said they wanted to keep the uniform. The other 7 were not that bothered but would prefer to be able to wear trainers.
The original thread was about hair - up until 16 surely they are kids and don't need to have pink and purple streaks or blue mohawks - and if they do can easily use the six week summer holiday ...

I am an educated woman. I can see the sense in bending the rules and making allowances for certain things but (as I have said) I am a minion. I am reminded at staff briefing that nail varnish must be removed, trainers must be swopped for black shoes in the unit and no black Sabbath fan eyeliner etc or I will be for the high jump as I have missed it.....
Some things I couldn't give a shit about- I remind my own son to remove his ear stretchers on the way in- but its my job..... No ego..... I like the actual teaching.....

I respect teachers.
I do not believe that upholding school rules makes one a despot, amd neither have I suggested that.
On this thread however, there have been several exampes of people getting irate about pupils and parents daring to challenge the status quo.
That is what I think just looks plain silly and, yes, unnecessarily controlling.