To think Kylie Jenner is the best looking Kardashian/Jenner

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She has progressed so much, she definitely the new Kim.

And then on the other hand you have people like me who hated my nose at 16/17. Cried about it, wanted a nose job as soon as I could afford one. If someone would have handed me the money, I'd have got one asap! But now I'm a little older, I love my nose because it's mine. It's still the same big weird nose but it's MY nose. Not some tiny version that the media told me I needed to be happy with myself. The change in my attitude towards it makes me a big supporter of psychological stuff before surgery stuff!

Choices are made though from a certain age aren't they :)

Yes but it's a question of which choices are healthy or not.

All hail to you Barney. I decided to change it and love my nose now. I had a mans nose on a girls face and hated it.

The key word here is choice isn't it.

Its no one elses business though whether they are healthy or not. Depends how you look at it and what "you" want.

A mans nose? Well, it's great that your surgery made you happier. I'm pointing out that perhaps people shouldn't be so quick to go for that option without exploring the reasons why they hate their body parts.

Again, Barney.. all hail to you if that's your thinking. I made a choice, which is my prerogative, and am glad I did, for me.

Not everyone wants surgery because of the media.

Personally I'd like a boob lift because after DS they're softer. Doesn't make me insecure or conditioned by the media. Just means I know how I'd like to look.

rose exactly. Why people think they can tell others what to do with their bodies is beyond me

It's interesting to hear both sides. I definitely have no problem with cosmetic surgery. I know people who have had one thing done and feel infinitely happier for it. And wouldnt rule out a breast lift or botox myself one day. But people like Kylie, again IMO and I could be wrong, seem to be so fixated on looks that surgery is not about correcting a perceived imperfection, it becomes almost an addiction. There are so many faces that look completely overdone and there are doctors making fortunes from these people. Take the girls from Geordie Shore who, without exception, have had botox and lip fillers in their very early twenties. One procedure is not enough and they just seem to keep going until they look completely different. And I believe it to be a direct result of pressure from social media users and mail online style sites which delight in calling/implying that perfectly attractive women are fat and ugly. What is worse is that I fear that ordinary girls see this look as very aspirational.

Yawn. Stop hailing me. Bow down instead

I feel a bit sorry for Kylie. I don't have a problem with young plastic surgery in itself, a friend had a nose job at school. But Kylie seems to be remodelling her entire face, it's too much too young.

Who's telling who what to do with their bodies?

People are simply questioning whether it's ethically right to take money, no questions asked, from people who have deep seated self esteem issues in the knowledge that it's probably not the physical appearance that is really the problem, but something emotional and psychological that can never be fixed by surgery. And more importantly, taking money from a 16 year old who has had a frightening amount of procedures - I think that is wrong.

I am not against cosmetic surgery, I have a friend who had a nose job in her 30s after saving up and wanting it done since her teens. She is genuinely happier for it and doesn't want anything else doing. I think good for her.

I also have a friend who has BDD and if she had an unlimited pit of money could have every procedure known to man done and be no happier for it. It really wouldn't be right for her - her issues are entirely psychological. I think it is immoral to allow somebody with those issues to continually put themselves under the knife and take money from them.

When I was in my teens if someone handed me a load of money I probably would have got all sorts done. But I had very bad self esteem and issues with my body image. I'm now 25 and have grown a lot in confidence, realised there is more to life and I am genuinely happy the way I am now. If someone offered me work for free I think I would turn it down. So i don't think I would have been really mature and secure enough to be making logical and balanced decisions regarding my looks in my teens.

roses good for you that your surgery has improved your life, but that is your experience and to be honest I don't think you can speak for everybody just because your surgery worked out for you.

Surgery is a huge deal, especially when you are put under general anaesthetic as every operation carries risks. They may be minimal but they are always there and the worst can happen to anybody.

tali I think you are spectacularly missing the point.

disgusting that a surgeon would do unnessecary surgery on someone younger than 18, disgusting that a mother/father would allow surgery on a child/person that has not stopped developing properly, and on top of it all what do they actually do....nothing.....sad that young girls are forced day in and day out to see 'role models' like this splashed over everything...to be famous nowadays you have to have no skills, just a good surgeon.!

Tali makes a full time work in progress of missing the point on almost every thread she visits. It's really quite - ummmm - sad.

Nobody here is or CAN tell anyone else what to do with their body and your assertion that they are, Tali, is making you sound like a fourteen year old. People have opinions. You'll understand that if and when you grow up.

Tali (Feels like I'm talking to myself) No one is saying that people cant do what they want with their bodies, but you cant help but feel sad that a young and attractive girl is changing her whole body to fit in.

Oh Mutton piss off. I'm not missing the point, the point is people think it's okay to comment on another woman's body and guess her reasons and slam her and it's not on. Get something better to do instead of commenting on someone's choice that doesn't affect your life

Tali I dunno, I think if it makes her happy it's not for anyone else to judge

It's MN. People commenting on other people (and their life choices) is pretty much obligatory. If you disagree with that then why are you on a thread debating whether Kylie is the hottest Kardashian sister? You could be out doing something worthwhile after all.

Because I'm not ripping into people MizK

This is not some sort of new thing is it though Miz?

Ban all mags and TV?

Again it's a matter of choice.
I half live in a world where everyone wants to be skinny, Im a size 14/16 and can definitely say I do my face over my arse :) its the thing i look at and will never see my rear.

I'll piss off when I'm good and ready Tali - but thanks for proving the point about your immaturity

I'm immature because I told you to piss off? Yeah okay.

Says Tali who started a thread commenting on how mums dress and holy shit don't they all look the same. Not judging other people's choices though

The point is a lot of people get plastic surgery to make themselves happier and find that actually, it doesn't.

If my friend with BDD started getting lots of work done - it is her body, her choice - but I wouldn't be happy for her because it's not the best thing for her. It wouldn't be good for her to do that to herself.