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To hate the disingenuous, lying, underhand Hunting Brigade and there ongoing campaign to bring back fox hunting

309 replies

Boomingmarvellous · 26/12/2015 09:56

I hate fox hunting with horses and hounds. It's cruel and barbaric. That's my only objection. I don't mind shooting foxes if they are predating livestock like chickens and lambs. The rest should be left in peace to maintain their place in rural life.

The Hunting brigade and the Countryside Alliance have lied about everything to support their 'sport'. Not least the mass euthanasia of hounds and horses and loss of countryside jobs if it was banned. 10 years on it is more popular then ever.

They still 'accidentally' kill foxes who stray across their path. Why? Because the trail they lay is still concocted to smell of foxes. They have had 10 years to raise hounds to follow a different scent. Dogs can be trained to pick up the scent of anything so why stick to fox? Of course it's because they knew if a conservative government got in they would change the law back again.

Thank you SNP for scotching that idea.

OP posts:
HoundPaws · 26/12/2015 23:15

Oh and ratting with terriers is fantastic sport too.

HoundPaws · 26/12/2015 23:16

Superman, the scent trail is one of many loopholes.

HoundPaws · 26/12/2015 23:17

Night all, thanks for the enjoyable debate :)

AtSea1979 · 26/12/2015 23:20

YANBU.

WorraLiberty · 26/12/2015 23:20

That's twice you've attempted to close down a conversation with me, because I've asked about your enjoyment of killing foxes.

Presumably you've pulled the necks of chickens so you could eat them?

You can quite easily have 'amazing rides' without your personal entertainment resulting in the death of a living being.

So why if you say you don't enjoy the death of an animal, do you make yourself party to it?

Again, given the fact you can ride your horse without it resulting in the loss of life.

Supermanspants · 26/12/2015 23:20

You can debate with me then Hound
Perhaps we can chat about bagging foxes.... or would you like to talk about captive foxes....... what an odd way to 'control' a pest..... what are your thoughts on these? What about feeding foxes? Another strange way to control a 'pest'

On a side note, comparing hunting in wildlife programmes to a bunch of knobs dressed up, mounting up, necking booze then rioting all over the countryside, gardens, roads and railways is quite possibly the most mind numbingly stupid comment you have posted.... and there have been a few so well done. Smile

Supermanspants · 26/12/2015 23:22

The scent trail is a loophole......... Grin Grin Grin
I have heard it all now... did I say your last post was mind numbing..... Ive changed my mind..... this now takes top spot.

WorraLiberty · 26/12/2015 23:22

Oh actually I've just seen your other post... Oh and ratting with terriers is fantastic sport too

I'll save you the trouble of pretending for the 3rd time that you don't find death entertaining.

Sleep well.

Supermanspants · 26/12/2015 23:24

IME Worra they usually do run off when their arguments come under close scrutiny before being dismantled Smile

WorraLiberty · 26/12/2015 23:26

I would honestly have more respect for someone who held their hands up and just said, "Yeah, I don't know what it is about me but I find death entertaining. Or I get off on the 'power' of helping to snuff out a life".

Anything but "I don't enjoy the death of animals".

I don't know if they're trying to convince themselves or other people?!

Weird.

Pinkponiesrock · 26/12/2015 23:27

I'm sure no one would have a problem with calling in an exterminator to deal with rats if they were in their garden/shed/house as it would actually impact on their lives. The poison that they use to deal with the rats would be justified as it would be the only way, I'd much rather a terrier, or in our case a collie(!), who will dispatch it in a matter of seconds. If foxes had the same impact for the masses that they do for the few involved in farming etc I'm sure it would be a different story.

Supermanspants · 26/12/2015 23:31

If foxes had the same impact for the masses that they do for the few involved in farming etc I'm sure it would be a different story

But they don't so a pointless comment Hmm
Strange that a survey commissioned by the NFU found that the majority of farmers do not view foxes as pests.

WorraLiberty · 26/12/2015 23:33

But would you make a date to travel to where the terrier is and go along with your friends to watch it catch and kill the rats Pink?

Perhaps make a whole day of it with a spot of lunch in the afternoon?

Or do you just think, 'You know what? We've got rats in our garden/shed/house that need to be exterminated. Let's let the dog loose'?

That's the point I'm trying to make about questioning the minds of people who find death entertaining rather than an inevitability when it comes to vermin.

Pinkponiesrock · 26/12/2015 23:40

No we just let the dog out the door and it goes off round the farm looking for rats! But I'll admit I hunt, I don't enjoy the killing part, no more than I enjoy knowing that the lambs and calves I have stayed up all night to bring into the world, spent hours nursing if they have a traumatic birth and watch over for the rest of their lives will ultimately be killed. However as people, like myself, want to eat meat then we will continue to farm it.

WorraLiberty · 26/12/2015 23:43

I don't get the comparison there Pink?

One is killing for kicks

One is killing for food

The end result is the same but the mentality is completely different.

If your dog needed to be put down, would you call a vet to do it quickly without fuss or would you chase it across the countryside on horseback because 'it needs to die anyway'?

Supermanspants · 26/12/2015 23:44

I hunt, I don't enjoy the killing part, no more than I enjoy knowing that the lambs and calves I have stayed up all night to bring into the world, spent hours nursing if they have a traumatic birth and watch over for the rest of their lives will ultimately be killed

Oh.... yet another reference to meat eating by a hunter..... shocker
If you hunt then you enjoy partaking in a sport that results in the death of a wild animal.
Honestly.... the number of hunters who state that they don't enjoy the kill FFS

Pinkponiesrock · 26/12/2015 23:45

Superman the NFU actually holds a totally neutral view on fox hunting, although it fully supports badger culling, and it also only currently represents around 20% of farmers in the UK.

WorraLiberty · 26/12/2015 23:49

I agree it's weird Supermanspants

Why not just own it.

It's like me saying I enjoyed the thrill of chasing someone across a motorway, but I'm a bit sad they got hit by a car.

Right then Confused

Dipankrispaneven · 26/12/2015 23:54

Foxes are not bred for hunting, their natural habitat is simply being preserved for the chase. This is good for foxes and other wildlife. Hunting is a good method of fox control because the hounds tend to catch the older, weaker animals which are more likely to attack livestock.

Can you really not see the complete contradiction here, HoundPaws? If you accept that foxes need to be controlled, why would you seek to preserve their natural habitat?

Plus, much of England is too urban to shoot safely

Another logic fail. Good luck to anyone trying to control the fox population in urban areas by calling in the hunt.

Pinkponiesrock · 26/12/2015 23:54

Worra and Superman I'm assuming that you have both spent many days and lots of your time following hunts so that you know exactly what you are arguing against?

Dipankrispaneven · 26/12/2015 23:56

Why do people constantly bring up the meat-eating comparison when the topic of hunting comes up? If you really cannot see that there is a world of difference between killing animals for food and killing them for fun, I'm afraid you're perpetuating the stereotype of hunters being thick as bricks.

Dipankrispaneven · 26/12/2015 23:58

Pink, why does anyone have to spend days of their time gaining personal experience of something they deeply dislike before they can argue against it? Is it necessary, for example, to spend "many days" watching people indulging in paedophilia before you're allowed to to argue against that?

Supermanspants · 27/12/2015 00:02

Pink
Yep you assume right.....hunted my own horse. Worked in a hunt/point to point yard.
If I learnt one thing this is it..... hunting has fuck all to do with pest control and everything to do with sport, thrills, adrenaline and fun.
How delightful.

WorraLiberty · 27/12/2015 00:05

Worra and Superman I'm assuming that you have both spent many days and lots of your time following hunts so that you know exactly what you are arguing against?

I'm arguing against one thing and one thing only.

Forget all the politics/countryside issues/class arguments etc etc etc...

I'm talking about the mentality of people who enjoy causing death or being a party to causing death for 'sport'.

All I can see from pro-hunters on this thread is them either side stepping the issue, or denying that they take enjoyment from the death that they've been a party to causing.

If you enjoy the 'thrill' but don't enjoy the death, perhaps it's time to get your thrills elsewhere?

Supermanspants · 27/12/2015 00:08

Oh.... am not sure why you mentioned the NFU's view on hunting. I didn't. I simply stated conclusions drawn on a survey.

I wonder if I had stated that the survey indicated foxes as being a significant pest to the majority of farmers would you have still quoted that figure of 20% Hmm

Can you explain how stags are a pest? Must not forget the act covers more than foxes.