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To hate the disingenuous, lying, underhand Hunting Brigade and there ongoing campaign to bring back fox hunting

309 replies

Boomingmarvellous · 26/12/2015 09:56

I hate fox hunting with horses and hounds. It's cruel and barbaric. That's my only objection. I don't mind shooting foxes if they are predating livestock like chickens and lambs. The rest should be left in peace to maintain their place in rural life.

The Hunting brigade and the Countryside Alliance have lied about everything to support their 'sport'. Not least the mass euthanasia of hounds and horses and loss of countryside jobs if it was banned. 10 years on it is more popular then ever.

They still 'accidentally' kill foxes who stray across their path. Why? Because the trail they lay is still concocted to smell of foxes. They have had 10 years to raise hounds to follow a different scent. Dogs can be trained to pick up the scent of anything so why stick to fox? Of course it's because they knew if a conservative government got in they would change the law back again.

Thank you SNP for scotching that idea.

OP posts:
LumpySpacedPrincess · 27/12/2015 10:51

Hunting foxes is not logical, at all, ever. To support it is to live in a state of cognitive dissonance which clearly some of you are if you think hunting is kind to elderly foxes.

Bufra · 27/12/2015 10:53

The sabs aren't too much bother at the moment . They only tend to be out when it's not raining.

Siwi · 27/12/2015 10:54

Death 'the way nature intended' is not pleasant or quick.
The hunt consider themselves more conscious and informed of animal welfare than the urban antis.

I must leave this thread because I am arguing with both sides whilst holding no strong opinion on the subject. :)

Supermanspants · 27/12/2015 10:55

If you say so Bufra Hmm

Supermanspants · 27/12/2015 10:56

Oh FFS Siwi...... newsflash...... plenty of antis DONT live in towns and cities just as plenty of hunters don't live in the countryside.

Bufra · 27/12/2015 10:56

Siwi Grin

Supermanspants · 27/12/2015 10:58

Yes, quite Lumpy
We should be grateful that hunts step in to ensure foxes don't make it to old age and use that as yet another ridiculous reason to justify their bloodlust

Supermanspants · 27/12/2015 11:02

Anyway....... enough has been said on here.
The Hunting Act will never be repealed and sabs/monitors will try to ensure that hunts operate within the law.
Thankfully, those who enjoy hunting are very much a minority.

Siwi · 27/12/2015 11:08

Superman,
I said, 'the hunt consider themselves...'
So please take back the ffs.

catfordbetty · 27/12/2015 12:32

Deer are actually very damaging to crops

Would you also describe them as "ruthless" and "indiscriminate" pink?

tobysmum77 · 27/12/2015 12:51

I disagree that sabbing is worthwhile and the 'thank goodness for them' Hmm. Their time could in my opinion be much better spent in terms of good causes. But then they wouldn't get to swear and have a fight.

The rudeness is just bizarre how does hunting legally make someone a 'knob'? Nothing like a bit of stereotyping Confused

Dipankrispaneven · 27/12/2015 15:49

The hunt consider themselves more conscious and informed of animal welfare than the urban antis.

The fact that they consider themselves more conscious and informed does not mean they are right. And then of course there are the rural antis.

Pure hunt sabotage isn't worthwhile but nowadays many, if not most, hunt saboteurs have joined the side of the angels and become hunt monitors. Stopping hunts from disobeying the law and accidentally-on-purpose allowing the hounds to kill is definitely worthwhile.

A lawyer friend of mine once acted for a pair of hunt monitors against whom one of the hunts was trying to get an injunction. The hunt was paying its lawyer a fortune and was having a lovely time bullying them until my friend stepped in. He worked his socks off, sometimes working overnighters, and was able to expose a number of very large holes in the hunt's evidence and quite a large degree of economy with the truth on the part of its witnesses, Ultimately their whole case collapsed and they had to pay the defendants' costs as well as their own. Apparently at the next hunt the sheer outrage demonstrated by the hunt members about "those blighters" was a treat to see and hear.

Mrsmorton · 27/12/2015 15:58

"Those Blighters" can you explain that phrase please? I don't understand the significance of it. Or why it's in inverted commas. Are you directly quoting someone you heard say it? Who did you hear say it? Just out of curiosity. Because this isn't about class is it? Otherwise you'd not have been so subtle? Or is it about class in which case, perhaps you could try to be more inclusive and less generalist?

Dipankrispaneven · 27/12/2015 16:01

What is generalist about my post, Mrsmorton? It was about a very specific case. And yes, "those blighters" was a term used by members of the hunt to describe the hunt monitors in question, as reported by my entirely reliable lawyer friend.

tobysmum77 · 27/12/2015 16:10

Whether something is worthwhile or not is largely down to personal opinion. Spending hours hiding in bushes with a camera in the hope of saving the life of a fox that will be shot or run over instead seems pretty futile to me, but I guess we all have different life priorities.

Andrewofgg · 27/12/2015 16:18

Hunt sabbing is like all protest - it works if it makes you feel good.

Dipankrispaneven · 27/12/2015 16:21

A highly disingenuous post, tobysmum. I'm not personally bothered about saving the life of a fox, in fact I think they should be properly culled. But what does bother me is (1) the general principle of upholding the law, which I think is always worthwhile; (2) stopping people from killing for enjoyment; and (3) sparing an animal the wholly unnecessary terror of being chased by a pack of hounds and torn apart.

Taking your argument to its logical conclusion, we may as well radically reduce the police force. After all, spending hours trying to prevent crime is just futile, isn't it?

tobysmum77 · 27/12/2015 16:31

After all, spending hours trying to prevent crime is just futile, isn't it?

Hmm Yeah ok because all crime is equal isn't it? Where the law is an ass upholding it is not a priority to me no, sometimes the law is wrong and needs to be changed, it isn't something to follow blindly. Do people spend hours following dope smokers round with cameras just because it's important to abide by all? Or call the cops when someone does 75 on the motorway? Er no.

disengenuous rofl..... I just don't agree with you, lets keep it simple Grin

DG2016 · 27/12/2015 16:38

Thes ethings always bring out strong emotions in people. I support hunting and would welcome a change of the legislation back to how it was.

Mrsmorton · 27/12/2015 16:39

dipankrisp I find that incredibly difficult to believe. Getting on a horse doesn't automatically transport you into a famous five book. "Blighters" FFS. If you were honest, at least you could have proper debate, Blighters? Honestly. If you'd said "those cunts" I might have believed you but making stuff up in order to make one side look like the much maligned higher rate tax payers of the UK Is childish at best.

Well done to your lawyer friend. Shame the RSPCA can't afford him, they've not done too well with their anti hunting stance of late have they. Perhaps he could do a spot of pro bono for them.

Supermanspants · 27/12/2015 16:41

than the urban antis

Just for you *Siwi
The FFS remains

Hunt sabbing is like all protest - it works if it makes you feel good
You don't know much about sabbing do you Andrew. Nothing to do with protesting.... all about the action.

Supermanspants · 27/12/2015 16:43

but I guess we all have different life priorities

Thankfully, yes. Do remember that the hunting act does not just focus on foxes.

Supermanspants · 27/12/2015 16:48

dipank
You are spot on. Monitors have a pretty hard time from the hunt mob. All they are going is observing. There is plenty of video evidence available to give an insight into the mentality of hunt followers both mounted and foot. I wonder what they have got to hide? They bleat on and on about people 'not understanding country ways* but are very reluctant to allow people to observe them.
IME the hunt mob refuse to believe hard evidence. They would argue black was white rather than admit the truth.

Bufra · 27/12/2015 17:46

Dipankrispaneven

really? I don't know of a single case locally where the hunt has been found at fault.

I know a few people who have been cited in court cases which have ALL fallen through.

In fact I believe the RSPCA have been told not to bring any more cases as they are a complete waste of money.

Good. We can get on with it quite happily.

Bufra · 27/12/2015 17:49

monitors are different from sabs

most hunts tolerate the monitors although being videoed when you are legally enjoying yourself is a pain

when your pony has lasers shined in its eyes to make it shy and throw your 9 year old - then that is totally wrong. If that doesnt make some one a psychopath I don't know what is.

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