To wonder what your views are on 'working class' accents

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And think people need to learn the difference between the words correct and standard
Inspired by a comment by somebody saying they didn't look down on anybody's accent, but hated words being pronounced 'incorrectly' such as 'bovvered'.
Uhm, it's called th fronting and it's one of the central features of a cockney accent FFS.
Please tell me I'm not alone in this?

Same perhaps not but the reality is in a great many jobs, a very strong regional accent is going to be a hinderance.

In what jobs though? I'm genuinely unaware as to what job would discriminate against an accent

I think many people on here think their accent is something which is handed down from God. It's actually created by different muscle movements.

Always confuses me when people think going up university changes class automatically. Broadly speaking it will change the class of your future children not you.

Miaow.

Anyway.

You can still have an accent and be perfectly able to be understood. Think of all the accents that are on Radio 4, and the BBC news generally. Perfectly spoken. If you can't understand them, save for some special needs/disabilities, then you're probably just being obtuse.

Re the Scottish posho thing - Maybe it's because I moved about a lot as a child, but when I hear a softer accent with a Scottish lilt it still sounds Scottish.

I'll Google Rose Leslie though. I'm sure there are plenty who don't (probably though they lived/went to school elsewhere), I'm just saying the couple I've met do have a Scottish accent. So it certainly doesn't determine your class.

There is a vast swathe of the highest paid jobs which have an unwritten posh test. It was in the recently - search posh test on google. www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1177939c-10e6-11e5-9bf8-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3uqsCw3kS

Class (including how you speak) is a huge determinant of job success in higher paid jobs.

I think this was the Cass study www.cass.city.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0014/106340/playingitsafe.pdf

So really it's "dead simple".... just make sure your teenagers learn received pronunciation. Get tgem on you tube and learn to "talk proper, like".

There is a new cultural programme I think the Sutton Trust is doing because they found that bright children from poor homes don't have cultural capital - never been forced to sit through a very long opera etc. That is part of it but accent matters to.

Obviously in most jobs (i.e. lower paid jobs) it matters not too hoots and plenty of people are sensible enough not to seek out high paid jobs.

I guess it mostly depends on if you want to go into finance...

There's many well paid jobs that also don't care about accents.

So called *working-class' accents have never held a person back in any profession. What actually holds people back is ignorant class-based prejudice and a fear of letting anybody who isn't 'one of them' into the club.

Exactly pirate

Received Pronunciation sounds horrid though Deo!

Maybe it's because I moved about a lot as a child, but when I hear a softer accent with a Scottish lilt it still sounds Scottish.

To clarify, by this I mean that I can still pick out from soft accents that they are Scottish (or a northern English accent or whatever)

I didn't mean like the queen so may be I did not mean received pronunciation. I suppose we all know it when we hear it and it helps you get and keep jobs. Not just finance by the way. In medicine I remember a recent study on class too concerned too many doctors were posh or from upper middle class backgrounds. Law is the Cass study above.

As long as people are aware it is a filter for a good few jobs then they can make their choices accordingly or set up their own companies as I did - mine is 100% female and 100% originally from Newcastle.

I think you can talk nicely whatever accent you have. There are some snooty jobs around but luckily they aren't that common.

Deo you have a Geordie accent? That's fantastic!

Maybe even finance is starting to see sense and not discriminating against accents.

My BIL has working class immigrant parents who settled in Yorkshire in the sixties and his accent is a combination of his West Indian roots and Yorkshire upbringing.

He works for a major bank in a very important well paid job that involves worldwide travel.

Medicine - Mum Dad are consultants 3x Brothers 1x sister doctors. 7 of my cousins are doctors also. I'm on my way to being one - All very scouse accents.

Quite a few of the doctors/consultants etc I've met have been from Newcastle/Middlesbrough obviously lots that aren't but accents aren't a hindrance ...anymore anyway

WanderingNotLost Rose Leslie only seems to have lived in Aberdeen until end of Primary School. She went to boarding school in Somerset, then university/drama school in London.

Her accent sounds inkeeping with that. It's a nice-enough accent though, she doesn't sound like the Queen.

I have a working-class accent and seem to be doing OK.

I would rather be judged for my accent than be the kind of person who judges people for their accent

Russel howard and his sister are on Sunday brunch and they have just dipped in and out of their Bristolonian? accent was weird

I have a strong Boltonian accent. Think Paddy McGuiness.
I'm not ashamed of it

Rose Leslie is a Scottish aristocrat. She has the accent that goes with that.
Generally Scottish people who go to Scottish public schools have Scottish accents. I know plenty of them. Scottish doctors and Scottish lawyers have Scottish accents. It's actually quite simple.

Ds is currently studying in the US for a year. He's living in dorms with 50% American students, and the rest from all over the world.
He arrived back for Christmas on Friday, and one of the first things he said was, "Mum, thank you for my accent!"

Scottish people with scottish accents who knew

I know MrsJayy It's astonishing.

I absolutely love accents. Any accent. It's part of what makes people interesting. :) I don't normally watch I'm a celeb but I got sucked into it listening to Vicky Pattinson talk - her voice was so funny and animated. :)

I am told I sound very posh, people take the Mick out of my posh voice all the time. I don't come from a posh background, very mid to low class I guess, but my gran drummed it into me not to slip my vowels and make sure I pronounce each word correctly. I admit I do cringe when I hear children coming out of my dds school saying "bovvvered" and suchlike, but to me that isn't really an accent, you can speak well with any accent.

Aye, it wasn't meant in a bitchy way. I'm the first in my family to go to university, I'm from a working class background. My life experiences compared to my peers who were born into middle class backgrounds are different, regardless of the fact we all went to university.

Mind blowing derxa