Bible from school

[user7755]

DS goes to a standard secondary (not a religious school), he came home last week with a bible.

I remember we got them when we were kids but I had forgotten thought we had moved on since then

DS doesn't believe in God, his choice and nothing to do with us. But I'm just really shocked and irritated at this act, presumably an attempt to spread the word and indoctrinate kids into organised religion.

I am very, very anti organised religion right now, following a historical abuse case involving our family which has just been through the court and involved a vicar, so very aware that I'm probably oversensitive.

Is it me? AIBU?

I don't really think it's theology is it? just general questions about what it is exactly that you believe in? Maybe it's just they way my mind works. Anyway, I need to go to bed. night.

I am a year 7 tutor and have a son in year 8 at a different school. Both have had the Gideon assembly. It is not indoctrinating, evil or disturbing. I have sat through many in my years of teaching. It is some Christians who explain what their beliefs are and offer bibles to those who want them - pupils have never been forced to take them. This year so far my Year 7s have also been given a free reading book, a leaflet on e-safety, a firework safety poster, something from a lepar charity and met a guide dog. They have also been told sugar and caffeine are bad for them, met a rabbi, been spoken to by the local Muslim church as well as the lady from the local hospice. All in assembly. A wealth of ideas and people to expand their views on the world - should we ban everyone from coming in to school just in case it upsets someone???

I am a year 7 tutor and have a son in year 8 at a different school. Both have had the Gideon assembly. It is not indoctrinating, evil or disturbing. I have sat through many in my years of teaching. It is some Christians who explain what their beliefs are and offer bibles to those who want them - pupils have never been forced to take them. This year so far my Year 7s have also been given a free reading book, a leaflet on e-safety, a firework safety poster, something from a lepar charity and met a guide dog. They have also been told sugar and caffeine are bad for them, met a rabbi, been spoken to by the local Muslim church as well as the lady from the local hospice. All in assembly. A wealth of ideas and people to expand their views on the world - should we ban everyone from coming in to school just in case it upsets someone???

Not sure why it posted twice sorry

If I struggle to believe that the pope believes, you aren't going to convince me that eminent scientists aren't just playing a game.

What game do you think eminent scientists are playing Myother?

DioneTheDiabolist
I struggle when seemly intelligent people say that science and religion are incompatible in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.

What evidence?

Believing Scientists Mittens.

It is perfectly possible to be a bad scientist!

I remember being given a bible in year 8(ish) I'm deeply atheist and thought it strange at the time. Them giving me a book wasnt going to change how I felt and I'm sure it wont change your ds mind either.

they still have bibles in hotel rooms ffs dont get it myself its just what they do x

that's the goal that they are working to, to gain entry to heaven,

I don't expect to, it would be preferable.

However I struggle as to how perfectly intelligent people can continue to believe in the face of all the evidence to the contrary

What evidence?

DioneTheDiabolist
Believing Scientists Mittens.

Yes, you've said. If there is evidence, you should be able to provide some rather than just stating words.

And as BertrandRussell posted, It is perfectly possible to be a bad scientist!

Here is one such example (Young Earth Creationist, in this case).

I can't do links but if you google RASIC study, it will give you statistics for UK scientists (36%) and Indian scientists (around 70%IIRC).

Myotherusername, you sound hugely overinvested in proving this country is not a Christian one, yet almost 60% of Britons identify as Christian. It is irrelevant - and quite frankly non of your business - quite how devoted they are to their faith. The last census proved we are still a nation largely made up of Christians yet you and others are hopping mad about it.

I would wager you have had a bad experience with someone purporting to practice the faith, as you come across as very angry and irrational.

Doublebubble, how does it feel to be 'deeply' atheist?

I can't do links but if you google RASIC study, it will give you statistics for UK scientists (36%) and Indian scientists (around 70%IIRC).

I've googled it, it doesn't really tell me anything. It doesn't say which fields they work in (I can't imagine many YECs being evolutionary biologists, nor astrophysicists), nor their contribution to their field. Watch the video I linked for a useful method of comparison.

They mean staunch atheist, Roger. Very atheist. Massively dislikes religion. Not remotely agnostic.

Don't see why that's so difficult to understand.

I've had people pull me up after speaking in similar terms. Apparently you can't be a "massive atheist" (as I once said, rather tongue in cheek) because you can't measure a lack of belief in the same way you can measure the depth of someone's religious belief, apparently

Have you another video, that Man is very nasty, I would pay attention to someone showing respect.

What evidence?

Well were the dinosaurs etc a first try or do you subscribe to the conspiracy theory where we've been making these things and burying them.

Did it not give those statistics then? If you are still in doubt, check out the Nobel prize stats.

Dinosaurs came before Man, what have Dinosaurs got to do with anything in the bible?

As the astrophysicist who is known as the Father of the Big Bang theory was a Jesuit priest honoured by the Vatican for his work in this field, I'm mildly surprised that people see there's a conflict.

Especially as current work finding out what made the Big Bang happen seem to me to be work towards deeper understanding of the Bible ('in the beginning was the Word' with the Word being both God and the creation force for the universe).

It does seem a little strange to me that, instead of looking at present day (non-conflicting) relations between physics and metaphysics etc which have now endured for centuries, events of the 1500s are taken as more representative.

Have you another video, that Man is very nasty, I would pay attention to someone showing respect.

Very nasty? If that counts as "very nasty" you've had a very sheltered life.

The fact that someone is an atheist doesn't mean they are any more intelligent than a believer. They might think they are, but that's just their egotistical belief.
I happen to think football is rubbish, but I can accept that others live and breath it.