Bible from school

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DS goes to a standard secondary (not a religious school), he came home last week with a bible.

I remember we got them when we were kids but I had forgotten thought we had moved on since then

DS doesn't believe in God, his choice and nothing to do with us. But I'm just really shocked and irritated at this act, presumably an attempt to spread the word and indoctrinate kids into organised religion.

I am very, very anti organised religion right now, following a historical abuse case involving our family which has just been through the court and involved a vicar, so very aware that I'm probably oversensitive.

Is it me? AIBU?

You don't believe though lurking....

So ? You said the criteria was being christened. Wow, one post in and the goalposts have changed. .

Anyway, how do you know I don't believe ?

YOU said you don't believe in god upthread! Why would you call yourself a Christian if you don't believe in God?

I don't believe in God and all that mumbo-jumbo, but I feel like a Christian.

Your words lurking

My ds' science teacher is a staunch Christian and uses teaching time to evangelize and give out tracts. That really annoys me.

Bert Many Christians with a strong faith would not consider a state non Cof E school so they would feel they have less choice.

I just dispair. The fact that Christians think they have a perfect right to access to 33% more state schools than non Christians who pay the same taxes says it all really. So depressing.

If the state bought out the church, then they wouldn't be able to.

But I doubt it's affordable right now. And stripping owners of their land and buildings without proper compulsory purchase arrangements (ie fair price) isn't something I would ever want to happen, for this or for anyone else.

YABU. We are a Christian country about to celebrate a Christian holiday - or do you not celebrate Christmas?

Some think that because there is a large proportion of non faith people, that in itself should automatically change us to a secular country. Just like that. Hundreds of years of history can be overlooked

And why not - time moves on and history belongs in the past - other things have changed and moved on why should we remain a Christian country when the majority wouldn't describe themselves as Christian. Even less would if they thought it mattered. I think a lot of people would say they were a christian out of habit as that is what they were raised rather than actually thinking about they were.

The English system of education has been built in partnership with the Christian churches, right from the start of mass education. The Churches were the first providers, funding building and staff costs through voluntary donations.

I enjoy Christmas but, an an atheist, religion plays absolutely no part whatsoever. The religious aspect of Christmas is just irrelevant to me. Is that so unusual, sidsgranny?

So how would you feel about some hospitals being "faith" hospitals? Say-33% giving priority to Christians. That's fair, surely? Non Christians have 66%- and the whole idea of hospitals in the UK was started by the Church. Bit of a bummer if your nearest hospital is a faith one- and you're not a Christian. But I'm sure there's another one not far away. Hope the waiting rooms aren't full of Christians who prefer it to the faith one.............

Bertrand :o - though surely they wouldn't be needed as god would sort them out anyway, not those pesky doctors with their new fangled science ways...

When do you take your decorations down? 12th night/Epiphany? If it's just about enjoying time off, do you not give gifts then? Do you not use the word CHRISTmas, preferring 'winter holiday'? Do you not tell your children about Santa? Santa means saint and Claus is from Nikolaus, as in St Nicholas. Are you non believers not just upholding and perpetuating the Christian traditions for the next generation?

silly bert

besfur so, by the same token, do you not have a tree or a wreath or any pictures of Santa dressed in Red, Holly, Mistletoe, A big dinner, go to the Panto etc etc. ?

Gift giving etc is also not based in the Christian story but is added to it. and the 12 days are equally related to non christian things such as the signs of the zodiac etc.

Personally I put up and take down my tree on days that are the most convenient i.e. depends on when the weekend falls.

Gift giving in winter was around before Xmas.

There's no real comparison to hospitals, because the founding of the NHS was done in a different way to the founding of the state education system. Deploring what the government of the day chose back then isn't going to change the ownership of those schools.

Also the services are totally different, so just as all children who need medical treatment receive it (bit different I suppose for finding NHS dentists) so all parents who want a state place for their children get one.

I presume there would be a process to change that. I think that's what people are talking about, not just that we stand on the street corner and announce it.

"Bert fine to not agree with something, but seriously despair and depression?"

Yes, depressing. Don't you find self serving "I'm all right Jack" "Looking after Number One" attitudes depressing? I like to think humanity is generally better than that.

I find it so irritating when Christians come out with a load of stuff that's nothing really to do with Christianity. The attitude that goes with it like aha got ya there!
When no, your just wrong.