AIBU to want dd to have traintrack braces but no teeth removed?

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AIBU to want dd to have traintrack braces but no teeth removed?

The orthodontist says my dd (11) needs train track braces to straighten her teeth.

The waiting list is about 18 months.

Since about 8 days old dd has sucked her thumb and nothing I have ever been able to do has helped her to stop (despite her saying she wants to stop!). So we have 18 months for her to stop so she can get her teeth straightened.

When she finally does stop thumb sucking and gets to the top of the list the orthodontist says she will need train track braces to straighten her teeth and in order to do this the orthodontist will take out two teeth.

I did not really think anything of it until a friend told me that they don't need to take out teeth nowadays with traintrack braces.

Can anyone tell me how it has worked for them or their child, please?

DD is terrified of having teeth removed and if it is not necessary I would rather avoid it.

I'm surprised our orthodontist didn't talk to us about the option not to remove teeth, especially as the NHS website seems to suggest it is not very common tp remove teeth now- " But, as a result of recent advances in orthodontic treatment, removing teeth has become much less common."

My dd has only had one baby tooth removed and that virtually fell out as it was stuck at an odd angle - think 'Nanny McFee'!

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Orthodontics/Pages/Howitisperformed.aspx

"Removing teeth

In some cases, it may be necessary to remove a tooth to correct the position and appearance of nearby teeth. But, as a result of recent advances in orthodontic treatment, removing teeth has become much less common.

However, if baby teeth have been extracted, there is a greater likelihood that adult teeth will need to be extracted as part of orthodontic treatment."

Thanks.

Hit reply too soon. They will extract for adult braces because the palate has normally stopped growing and cannot be expanded. Interesting information from a USA website here

My first treatment (age 13) was expanders. Second time around I've had 4 teeth removed and now have train tracks at 30

Palette expanders and/or Damon braces, with a focus on not extracting healthy teeth, seem to be a common theme among French orthodontists.

prof re when the dentist tightens the wire for the first time.... give DD lots of pain killers. For 'sore' read torture! (though not sure how it compares to giving birth)..

That sounds scary!!

And in the USA, after your train tracks are removed you are supposed to wear a retainer at night for the rest of your life. Of course not many people do but I have met people ho have had train track braces twice because their teeth returned to their prior position due to not wearing retainer at night.

And in the USA, after your train tracks are removed you are supposed to wear a retainer at night for the rest of your life.
I've never EVER heard that
and I know LOTS of Americans who have had braces

My DD wears retainers since she had her train tracks removed 2 years ago. She misses the odd night but any more than that the teeth start to move and the retainers hurt. The dentist said she didn't have to wear them every night, just for as long as she wanted straight teeth We are in the UK.

My DSSs wear retainers and have those metal bits glued to the backs of their front teeth to stop them moving. Even DD (11) has the metal bit on her top two front teeth. Orthodontist says retainers etc are forever.

Both ds and dd 18 and 15 now, each had 4 teeth removed before the wire braces went on. Its not pleasant but its shortlived and very do able. The end result is sooo good.DS only had his braces removed 2 weeks ago and now they both have the most beautiful sets of teeth.So worth it imo . I would say go with the advice the orthodontist gives!

Oh God yes the retainers are forever if you want to keep your perfect set of teeth! Both ds and dd wear the retainers every night and will always do so.The teeth will move otherwise.

My dd also sucked her thumb - nothing would stop it, thumb guard, bitter stuff, you name it (she's dyspraxic and always had v strong urge to suck/chew stuff) - in the end, what actually stopped her was the twin block retainer thing, orthodontist had originally wanted to wait until she stopped but saw it was an SN thing so went ahead. The very day dd had it in she stopped as it wasn't comfortable for her any more, it was like this miracle cure.

Anyway, her journey was like this: she had four baby teeth removed as they hadn't yet come out by 13 then went into 18 months with twin blocks where we had to turn the key and her jaw was slowly aligned/expanded - it completely changed the look of her face (she had over 1cm overbite) and then this April she was started on train tracks, our orthodontist always said her treatment would be longer than most and she still has around 12 months left but the difference so far is astounding and she is so much more confident, smiles a lot more.

The expander was sore but not as bad as we thought, she would only need one or two painkillers on tightening. She's just gone into elastics on her train tracks and has been v sore with those with ulcers etc.

I think the jaw alignment/expansion has worked really well with her, but like pp said every mouth is different although worth getting another opinion I think.

Oh our ortho has also said she'll need a retainer at night for life when this is all done. So grateful to the NHS as with her complications this treatment would have been around 6,000 +.

All the best italian :)

The teeth will move otherwise.
I bet your dentist gets paid every time they check up on that

I stopped wearing the retainer after two years and my teeth have NEVER moved back

What high level data you present there ta1kin must remember that against all actual research

link to research please : stuff that is NOT funded by private medical insurers

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Orthodontics/Pages/Howitisperformed.aspx

I stopped wearing my retainer after about a week as I couldn't talk and spit collected really unpleasantly. My teeth did move a bit but they are a not straight edged (if that makes sense) so they never butted up directly and would have moved the second the retainer wasn't there anyway. There was absolutely no way I would have worn it all the time until the end of days.

OP I had four teeth removed before I had braces, I had severe overcrowding. I had sucked my thumb as a child but not past the age of about 8 I don't think. If she doesn't have the teeth removed she will need some sort of expander I would have thought, if there is not enough room for teeth then there is not enough room for them to move adequately with the braces and would be a waste of time.

I'm sure your google works just as well as mine. The NHS is the majority bankroller of orthodontics in the UK, not private medical insurers.

I only had a retainer and never had to wear it afterwards and teeth still ok.

However dd 18 had train tracks top and bottom and wears her retainer now everynight and the dentist says she can tell, appointments now only quarterly, not sure how much longer she will go
My friends dd also train tracks top and bottom didnt wear her retainer afterward and her bottom teeth have moved back.

DD had 4 teeth removed in the end but they did it only after making sure there was not other option, she did have one that was impacted still low in the gum and had to have an operation to remove it.

This is a fantastic video I saw earlier today - teeth of an 11 year old in a brace, time-lapsed over 18 months. Amazing how much effect the brace had.

www.facebook.com/IFeakingLoveScience/videos/1280550415299300/

Ta1kin, you might like to actually read the link you posted! Especially paying close attention to the whole of the last paragraph which is titled Retainers.

My DD had her jaw brought forward the same as Dingdong. If she hadn't, she would have needed teeth removed. I paid privately, as was told it wasn't available on the NHS. Later found out it would have been, as if the overbite is over a certain amount you can have it done For free. They have to start it early though, as the jaw still needs to be growing. She started last year of primary. It also sorted out the thumb sucking as was impossible!
Now has a much better side profile, although I would never have thought it wasn't ok before. Has a fixed wire permantly attached behind, and a retainer which she has in case it breaks until she can get to the dentist to have another fixed.
Was talking to the hygienist 2 weeks ago, she had Beautiful teeth. Her dad paid privately for her as didn't want teeth removed, and she has had her wire for 12 years.

dingdongMadHairDayonhigh thanks, that is really interesting.

I must be honest and say I am now doubting whether this treatment is such a great idea. She don't have a massive problem and the idea her teeth could continue to move is a bit worrying!

I wonder what kind of orthodontist would do the minimum of treatment!

What happens if this kind of thing goes untreated? Her situation is she as a nice smile, not too many teeth, as far as I can see, I mean a tiny gap between front two, so not too crowded, all but one baby tooth has come out and the slightly overbite/buck teeth, whatever the proper term is, has actually got better on its own after the last year, without treatment and with with her still thumb sucking!

I think the issue with retainers relates to how old you are when your treatment finshes.

I have to wear mine every night. Fortunatley I'm single!

I didn't wear a retainer at uni and I should have done too busy shagging and the teeth didn't stay.

If you are younger, I think your bones set around the repositioned teeth.

PS I am utterly convinved my first orthodontist dragged out the treatment for financial reasons.

After 4 years working on my top teeth he announced he wanted to start on the bottom teeth. I was 17. I told him I didn't want to and he said he was in 'loco parentis' and would make that decision for me.

Wow www.facebook.com/IFeakingLoveScience/videos/1280550415299300/

Must say that my dd's teeth are nothing like this, more like a slightly protruding front two teeth.

Imustgo re I was 17. I told him I didn't want to and he said he was in 'loco parentis' and would make that decision for me. Shit, what do you say!!!!!