...to think surely nobody will vote Donald Trump now?

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Donald Trump thinks there should be a ban on all Muslims entering the U.S.

Beeb news here.

'By banning Muslims - not very libertarian.'

Trump doesn't mean it, he has thrown that in the ring to show the people that every world leader and puppet and Republican and Democrat are all against him. He is saying "i am the only different one in the entire contest, the rest are all the same "all in it together""

'Where's it gone - he's free to say whatever he likes and he's exercising that right - as I'm sure you know, it's a constitutional right in the USA, fiercely defended.'

Absolutely, Trump is fearless, but freedom of speech and thought is under attack worldwide when Germaine Greer is banned from speaking on campuses, when students ban any speech they consider offensive, when our political class say that Trump is not fit to run for office in the land of the free and home of the brave because of what he says.

'Why - you can't bully a bully?'

They are getting desperate at the Guardian and thinking that that is all they have now got left against Trump. But they won't beat the people, it won't work against Trump. No one bullies Trump, not a London Mayor, not a Saudi Prince and not the Guardian.

"How to defeat Donald Trump and his ilk: fight fire with fire
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The point is, the new populists are on the march. Their rage cannot be fought with statistics. Their canny articulation – and exploitation – of people’s visceral pain cannot be defeated by an appeal to cool reason alone. The blaze has started. It’s time to start fighting fire with fire."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/11/lessons-donald-trump-marie-le-pen

They are all bought and paid for and not one of them will beat the people and Trump.

If 1 man is president but is not supported by the congress how can he actually bring change. He will just be vetoed and blocked in every move. Senators and the house of representatives will just ensure that change doesn't happen.

It will take more than one person to bring change. It requires a movement to do that. But one person is enough to bring the realisation that there could be change and thus stir up that movement. This is what they are really afraid of wrt Trump. That he will make people see that there is another way and then the people will demand it to be brought in.

'If 1 man is president but is not supported by the congress how can he actually bring change. He will just be vetoed and blocked in every move. Senators and the house of representatives will just ensure that change doesn't happen'

Very good question. I don't know. But that is the next hurdle. The first hurdle will be crossed when Trump defeats all of the puppets in the election contest. After that, I don't know how he will deal with the rest of the bought and paid for puppets.

Trump doesn't mean it

So he's playing the same game of all the politicians - the ones he claims to be so different from - by telling deliberate lies?

How is anyone supposed to work out whether to support Trump and follow his policies if they are all just lies - or some are lies and some aren't and he's not saying which us which?

The first hurdle will be crossed when Trump defeats all of the puppets in the election contest

Well, no it won't actually. Thinking about it, I wonder what odds the bookies are offering?

'That he will make people see that there is another way and then the people will demand it to be brought in.'

Yes, Trump will rewrite the rules, as Newt Gingrich says he "will kick the doors down" and new possibilities will emerge, new movements will grow demanding a voice and rights and demanding to be heard by the bought and paid for political class of puppets and servants. And that change won't just affect America, it will spread worldwide and shake establishments and prise puppets from their perches in every country on earth. Freedom, liberty, business, growth, propserity will make a comeback, the elite's message of doom and gloom and climate catastrophe will be laughed at by the people worldwide. That is why it has got desperate in the Guardian's offices, that is why they have thrown their last die.

'"How to defeat Donald Trump and his ilk: fight fire with fire '

But there isn't a fire that the elite have got on earth that can extinguish the flames of liberty and the will of the people. It's Trump all the way, no matter how many puppets they throw in the ring against him.

'So he's playing the same game of all the politicians - the ones he claims to be so different from - by telling deliberate lies? '

Of course he is, he wants to win, he intends to win, he intends to take their establishment down and "make America great again". As he says to the CNN reporters sent by the Establishment to try and do him down "I'm a winner, I've always won, i win, you are used to talking to losers [i.e. the puppet political class], but I am a winner".

'How is anyone supposed to work out whether to support Trump and follow his policies if they are all just lies - or some are lies and some aren't and he's not saying which us which?'

Precisely, you can't. No one knows what Trump will do. He may let us all down, we don't know yet. But there is no other game in town, we have to trust him because we know the rest are all bought and paid for.

'And who else would they vote for if Trump dropped his White House bid?

"There aren't any," Sean Hadley said. His wife, Sandy, quickly chimed in: "He's our guy."

"There isn't anybody else. Everybody else is bought and paid for, no matter what party,"

It's Trump or the highway, there is no other game in town.

'Thinking about it, I wonder what odds the bookies are offering?'

It was 5/1 for Trump to become President down from 8/1. Hillary is still favourite, but remember that Trump hasn't even started yet, he hasn't even taken the gloves off yet, we ain't seen nothing yet. Trump is a winner, he doesn't intend to lose. Trump is all in, he's going nowhere and nor are his millions of supporters.

Corbyn was 100/1 to become Labour leader and he astounded all of the puppets from Oxbridge and elsewhere, but Trump will change the entire world.

So we have to trust that he doesn't mean the bigoted things and sometimes straightforward lies he spouts and somehow he's going to lead the whole world to some utopian paradise. Pardon me for thinking that both claig and Trump are talking total arse 99% of the time.
Trump will not win, but at least he's more entertaining than the really worrying people who are supporting him in spite of having apparently no idea what he stands for - except "he's not someone else".

'So we have to trust that he doesn't mean the bigoted things'

Absolutely, there are no certainties in this world, but one thing's for sure, the rest are bought and paid for "career politicians", Trump isn't.

Some people will not risk a vote for Trump, they will prefer the bought and paid for types they have come to know, but there is still one year to go and my guess is that Trump will convince many millions more than he has already done that he will "make America great again" and will "stop America losing" and that the political class across the world who insulted him will be heaping so much praise on him that some people will wonder if they were puppets all along.

Trump said he would take Syrian refugees and "we have to do it" and the next minute he said he would send them back if he won. Trump changes his mind every two minutes, he doesn't mean what he says. No one can be sure what Trump will actually do, people are voting for Trump because they think he will do the right thing when he gets in. It's not a certainty, but what is the alternative? Have you seen a debate with the Republican candidates, have you watched the level of spin and the "low energy" of Jeb?

Republicans would rather vote for Kermit the Frog or Nick Clegg than that lot, no wonder Trump is way ahead in the polls.

Thing that worries me is that a good proportion of the UK population have made it very clear that they want change in how things are done. Labour party got Corbyn. But the establishment don't want change and the people wanting change and having a leader wanting change is not enough to get change. How is the next step to change going to be achieved?

It will be no different if trump gets in. The establishment will still do everything they can to prevent change even if change is what is wanted by the public. Simply because change does not suit how the establishment wants to work.

This is why i have no hope. Even with the public wanting change to the system I don't see atm how it can be achieved as the establishment has so little regard for the people it is supposed to be serving.

'How is the next step to change going to be achieved?'

It will be America that leads the world and brings change, it will be the American people that make things happen.

'It will be no different if trump gets in. The establishment will still do everything they can to prevent change even if change is what is wanted by the public.'

They won't beat Trump. The Establishment is undergoing a crisis of confidence worldwide, no one believes them anymore. It has got desperate for them which is why Guardian articles are now asking how can Trump be stopped and the BBC is asking "is Trump unstoppable?" Labour members are now against all of their puppet class of Labour politicians from Oxbridge. They can't hold it together anymore, they can't trick the people anymore.

But what is really amazing in the world is that the people's rebellions in Europe have now spread to America and America is a free country with free speech and there is still opposition to political correctness over there and the Americans won't be bullied and now out of nowhere we have a billionaire who is not politically correct and who is not a "career politician" and whom they can't bully. That is why the Guardian is in panic, the elites are in panic and they don't know what to do. All they can do is to get their political class to shout Trump is "not fit for office". A Saudi billionaire tweets that Trump is a disgrace to not only the GOP but to America and he should stand down because he won't win and Trump fires back with a tweet

"Dopey Prince @Alwaleed_Talal wants to control our U.S. politicians with daddy’s money. Can’t do it when I get elected. #Trump2016"

The elite have never come up against someone like Trump, he's not Oxbridge. He "ain't gonna take it" and his fight song plays all over packed out stadiums in America and Trumpites sing "we're not gonna take it, we're not gonna take it, we're not gonna take it anymore"

They can't beat Trump, they can't beat the people

The Trump Fight Song [unofficial] Trump 2016

claig - you're not making any logical sense, and the more you go on about the BBC and Guardian, the more you seem to be divorced from reality, which I guess makes sense as you are advocating electing a leader of the free world on the basis of having no idea what he stands for.

Ahhm oot.

'the more you go on about the BBC and Guardian,'

I am doing that to emphasise how they are all against Trump, just like the entire political class, the entire Republican Establishment and the entire media when Trump is by far the most popular candidate among Republican voters. Ask yourself why they all fear him when the people like him?

'having no idea what he stands for'

He stands against the establishment and that is good enough for me.

Claig we've had all this from you before with Nigel Farage and UKIP. before that it was the Daily Mail being the undisputed newspaper of truth.

You talk of Trump and these other individuals being "anti-elite" when they are clearly quasi-fascist who would shore up more social inequality then ever before.

What does Trump have to say about improving healthcare and education? Very little.

Well just going blah blah anti-establishment blah Guardian blah BBC blah Oxbridge isn't substantial enough for me.

Luckily you (claig) don't have a vote in the US election.

You are right, serious questions need to be asked about why a man who thinks being a bigoted offensive bully with no clue is so popular among republicans; but I put that down to poor educational standards and the apparent greater preponderance of people with a propensity for blind belief in various inexplicable things that exists in the USA.

Standing against the establishment can of course be admirable - Ghandi would be one example. Trump isn't admirable, he is just awful.

I think he is a Great Man and might be the Second Coming. I just wish the UK had somebody like him to run for our elections, that is willing to stand up and say that them furriners what look a bit Islamist are dangerous and need to be banned. PC has just gone mad when the people we voted for won't keep us safe with racist generalisations. Why do I even pay my taxes?!!?

The Guardian and BBC just doesn't like him because they're really biased to the Established Lizard People that control all the world but mostly the US because that's the main bit of the world, and the very bestest bit. Not like Brietbart who are totally unbiased and really tell it how it is.

At the end of the day Trump is a real person, who knows the struggle of real people and is going to stop Oxfordshire children from trying to run the world and messing it up all the time with their puppet plays. Unlike these kids what were made in factories and shipped in by The Established Lizards, The Donald is a real human who had to claw his way up from the very bottom of the pile. People who think he's a bored egotistical megalomaniac with zero redeeming qualities and a new political hobby are just jealous because he owns Scotland.

At the end of the day any man who walks around with a wig like that is a man you can trust to be fearless, especially when what you fear is common decency, so he'll have my e-vote at the relevant gov.uk petition when the Murican elections start!

Trump changes his mind every two minutes, he doesn't mean what he says.

He stands against the establishment and that is good enough for me.

Two statements from Claig which, sadly, display the fact that her position is entirely irrational.

'Claig we've had all this from you before with Nigel Farage and UKIP'

Yes and it is a similar phenomenon. I was a conservative who had enough of Cameron, the modernisers and the phony conservatives, just like the majority of Republicans have had enough of the phony Establishment Republicans and have switched to an outsider, Trump.

'What does Trump have to say about improving healthcare and education? Very little.'

He says Obamacare is a disaster and will ruin the country and premiums are going up and he will end it and he is against Common Core and wants states to set their own education policies rather than haveing them centrally set.

I don't know whether Obamacare is any good or not, and I tend to agree with Obama on Common Core even though some of it does seem stupid in the way it is taught. But those are nothing compared to Trump's dismantling of political correctness and resinstitution of freedom,and liberty. I am a conservative by philosophy and I want freedom and free speech and conservative values because I think they are generally right philiosophically.

'but I put that down to poor educational standards and the apparent greater preponderance of people with a propensity for blind belief in various inexplicable things that exists in the USA.'

Well read today's Guardian article about how Trump and his ilk can be stopped. Freedland and the Oxbridge teams know exactly what it is about. It is opposition to the elites. People have had enough of lies, spin and waste of their taxpayer money and their liberties going down the drain and are opposed to the elites. Freedland thinks he can fight Trump with fire, but he hasn't got a clue because Trump ain't Oxbridge, trump is the real deal.

'Standing against the establishment can of course be admirable'

Everything in life is about balance. The people are anti the Establishment because the Establishment have ripped them off, lied to them, took them to war on a lie, wasted their taxpayer money, ruined their economy, imposed austerity on them, bailed out the bankers with their money, imposed political correctness on them, ignored them and insulted them. What is happening worldwide is the fightback of the people. Freedland thinks that it can be stopped by fighting Trump with fire, but he hasn't got a clue. Trump is going to walk it. As Newt Gingrich said

"EXCLUSIVE: Newt Gingrich: ‘The Country Is in Rebellion,’ Trump Can ‘Kick Down the Doors’

Newt Gingrich told Breitbart News that the country is in rebellion against the coastal power centers and that Donald Trump might be the candidate who can “kick down the doors” of the establishment."

That is what happening and it won't stop until balance has been restored.

BorderTerrierControl

BorderTerrierControl, I think you've just about nailed it.

Dipankrispaneven, the one thing Trump is consistent about is that he is anti establishment. He changes his mind on other issues, but not on that.And that is good enough for me.

People have had enough of lies

Trump changes his mind every two minutes, he doesn't mean what he says.

er...hello?

Yes but Trump tells little lies, it is not on the scale of a "Yo Blair".

And Newt Gringrich and Breitbart support his little lies, so they're good little lies. Like Santa and the Tooth Fairy.

You don't need actual, workable policies when you have Santa on side. D'UUH.