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...to think surely nobody will vote Donald Trump now?

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QuizteamBleakley · 07/12/2015 23:15

Donald Trump thinks there should be a ban on all Muslims entering the U.S.

Beeb news here.

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claig · 09/12/2015 22:47

'in support of your theory that Trump is some sort of political genius on an unstoppable rise to power.'

No, I never said he was a "political genius", I said he intends to dismantle political correctness and the "political geniuses" in the Establishment are doing everything they can to stop him. I think he wil win because he is "fearless" and will play dirty by telling the truth at the crucial moments. He won't back down, he will spill the beans and tell the people the truth about the other candidates and then the people will back him. It's not "genius", it's a "fearlessness" that is borne from wanting to change the system and shake things up and "make America great again". He doesn't need to do this, he is not a "career politician", no has has bought and paid for him, he "wants" to do this for the American people and that is why he will win.

flippinada · 09/12/2015 22:53

Well, ok then. I must have misinterpreted your post.

I'm sure President Trump will set the world to rights in no time at all, alongside his great ally and fellow political iconoclast Prime Minister Farage.

claig · 09/12/2015 22:55

'I just read that he complained about Merkel being Time's person of the year instead of him. '

He is joking. But, he has changed his mind about Merkel. He used to think she was good but now he thinks she is a disaster for Germany and Europe due to her encouragement of nearly 1 million refugees to come to Germany which has caused problems for other European neighbouring countries who have now criticised Merkel and which has caused criticism in Germany to Merkel's policies.

claig · 09/12/2015 22:57

'alongside his great ally and fellow political iconoclast Prime Minister Farage.'

Farage is just a mini-me, he is not bad, but he is nowhere near as "fearless" as Trump and Trump is far, far richer than Farage which means that Trump needs no one else's money and can't be told what to do by anybody. Trump is the real deal and the team behind him are playing high stakes poker for real.

claig · 09/12/2015 23:01

The panic among the Republican Establishment in America is real, all their puppets have tried to bring Trump down. Nothing has worked so far. So far Trump is teflon and the Republican masses are still right behind him on his way to the White House. There has never been an election like this, an outsider versus the entire Establishment in the most powerful country in the world for the most powerful position in the world. We are living in historic times and if Trump wins, the entire world changes.

SenecaFalls · 09/12/2015 23:11

Want2b I think you are being too charitable to Trump. He did not say he wanted a temporary halt while processes are reviewed. He said that he wants to ban Muslims until the country's representatives can "figure out what is going on." It is his typical very general, but no specifics, provocative proposal. And if he actually were able to enact such a proposal if president, do you really think it would be of short duration (even if that is defensible, which I don't)?

Something else people need to remember. Trump has 25-30% support of Republicans based on current polls, among a large group of candidates. As that field narrows, that 75-70% will be shifting to other candidates. Not many will shift to Trump.

claig · 09/12/2015 23:15

'Not many will shift to Trump.'

Seneca, you are probably underestimating the effect that Trump's attacks will have on the other candidates when he really takes the gloves off and starts on them. He will destroy Rubio if he pops his head up, just like he has already destroyed Jeb. They can't match Trump. Cruz is keeping out of it hoping he will be left standing when the dust settles, but Trump is out to clobber any contender and he is prepared to play dirty which is why they can't stop him.

claig · 09/12/2015 23:18

Trump is not like the rest of them. This is why, he is not "politically correct", there will be no holds barred with Trump and Rubio and the Establishment team won't know what has hit them when he takes the gloves off

"I've been challenged by so many people, and I don't frankly have time for total political correctness," he told Megyn Kelly, one of the moderators of the Fox News Republican presidential primary debate Thursday. "If you don't like it, I'm sorry."

claig · 09/12/2015 23:20

They don't teach Trump tactics in Oxbridge or Harvard, the teenage whizzkids have never seen what Trump has got in his locker. Trump has wheeled and dealed with the best of them in Atlantic City, New Jersey and New York City. They ain't seen nothing yet.

claig · 09/12/2015 23:25

Want2beSuperMum has witnessed at first hand, she called it "magical", Rubio hasn't seen it yet, but he will do when Trump takes the gloves off

"I happened to witness Trump take down Eliot Spitzer in three sentences at a party when he was going after Wall Street. It was magical."

claig · 09/12/2015 23:47

Sky News asked Jacqui Smith, former Labour Home Secretary, if she would have banned Trump. Sky reporter said "so you would have banned him?" and Jacqui said something like "now hold on ..." She wouldn't say "yes" but she said she hoped Theresa May is looking at it.

claig · 10/12/2015 00:34

OP's original question
"...to think surely nobody will vote Donald Trump now?"

The latest polls are out

"Trump Increases Lead After Call To Block Muslims Entering Country

Donald Trump took a commanding lead in the polls following his call to bar Muslims from entering the country, but his fellow Republicans may wind up paying the price.

Donald Trump’s recent remarks opened a chasm between the real estate billionaire and the rest of the Republican Party, which had been cultivating the minority vote for years.

The Donald has suffered near universal condemnation from Republicans for his call to temporarily stop Muslims from entering the country, but the billionaire continues to command a sizable lead in the polls."

www.inquisitr.com/2620335/trump-increases-lead-after-call-to-block-muslims-entering-country/

I don't think anyone believes Trump would do it or has thought it through, but that seems to have little effect on voting intentions.

PigletJohn · 10/12/2015 01:28

Talking to yourself?

claig · 10/12/2015 01:33

No, just putting points for discussion out there. If you have nothing to say apart from snide remarks, then best not bother.

I have just watched Trump interviewed by Bill O'Reilly. Now I am even more convinced that there is nothing they can do to stop him. His answers were brilliant.

Want2bSupermum · 10/12/2015 02:09

seneca I was listening to the radio when he clarified temporary. It was Z100 so not the most high brow!

I don't like or agree with about 99.9% of what he says. I don't like that he doesn't listen to others. I will be surprised if he wins the nomination. Whomever wins the nomination is going to have a very tough time against HC. She is a shrewd operator and rather slimy (well she is a politician!).

PitPatKitKat · 10/12/2015 05:16

They voted Bush Jnr in twice.

speaking of which, Jeb is running this time...frying pan, fire.

flippinada · 10/12/2015 07:38

Just checked that petition. Nearly 400,000 votes so far. Wow.

TalkinPeace · 10/12/2015 07:54

No Taxation without representation

if all of those people who clicked for Trump actually registered to vote in the UK and then did so we might get democracy

but according to the Electoral Roll (just coming out) England's population is falling

flippinada · 10/12/2015 08:07

I don't really think you can extrapolate in that way, simply because we have no idea if the people who clicked on the petition are registered to vote or not.

At a guess, many will be and do but there's no way of telling.

Want2bSupermum · 10/12/2015 16:06

More to the point, no one in America cares what people in the UK, or Europe for that matter, think. 5 million people can sign that petition and very very few people here will care.

KidLorneRoll · 10/12/2015 16:09

He will never be POTUS.

He's a pantomime villain, and if US politics is anything it's a fucking pantomime.

flippinada · 10/12/2015 16:26

I don't think that matters really Want2. People are signing the petition because they don't want him in the UK, they're not doing it in the hope of influencing US voters.

TalkinPeace · 10/12/2015 17:10

flippin
I know its not strictly relevant to the thread
but the way the UK roll is managed has changed and millions of people are being disenfranchised.

Before the changes the UK had over 90% of eligible adults on the Roll (the USA has under 70%)
but its dropping at 2% a year .....

flippinada · 10/12/2015 17:53

Yes, you're right Talkin. That's depressing news.

claig · 10/12/2015 18:45

Roger Stone, former aide to Trump, on the Alex Jones Show starting right now for a 90 minute slot. Stone is breaking it all down - slush fund for grifters the lot. If you want to know what real politics is all about and what Trump is all about, don't miss it.

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