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How the hell can dads just up and leave their kids?!

152 replies

harboromummy · 01/12/2015 23:23

Feeling super hormonal tonight.

Left abusive ex husband over two years ago. He was around the kids the first year, this year he's been shocking. Haven't heard from him in over a month, doesn't pay csa, demands to have the kids on his terms (I.e every time it's someone in his families bday so he looks "good").

My dd isn't that bothered, she's 7 and my ds whose 6 doesn't really talk about him. But they adored their dad.

I'm heartbroken for them. They must be. How can someone just leave like that?! How can he carry on his life and no be bothered especially having spent 5/6 years with them practically full time?! I'm so angry.

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carolinemoon · 02/12/2015 08:22

My dad did this to me and my 2 siblings. It caused me so much pain as a child, that he didn't love me. I probably got over it in my mid twenties, but not before it trashed my self esteem.

Now I know it is his loss, but I still don't think he sees it that way as otherwise he'd be in touch now!

Damselindestress · 02/12/2015 08:31

Obviously it's wrong when men ignore their obligations to their children and I don't know why or how they can do it either. However if he was abusive it might be for the best as he is obviously not a good person or role model for the children and might have escalated to abusive behaviour against them.

BlueJug · 02/12/2015 08:33

Whilst all of this is true it is rarely that simple.

Of course some men are like that but many men are worn down by the weekly drives, (200 miles if she or he has moved to be nearer family/work/new partner); the battles, the emotional game playing of ex-Partners, the knowledge that as they see their kids less and less the kids see weekends at dad's as a chore.

They are told they can't have kids for Christmas as ex wives say "I do the shit so I should get Christmas" - every year. There are battles over holidays, birthdays, school choices and the general feeling that the woman should have control. (Recent threads in which women trying to ban ExH from taking DD to football, many about Christmas, and two that I have read over ridiculously long journeys for contact. PPs have been mainly telling the woman she should do what she wants and the DC do not need this waste of space in their lives!))

Sometimes it is better for the kids if the dad just gives up - especially if there is a "wonderful" new partner to play daddy.

Of course the majority of women don't behave like this. And the majority of the men are not arses. It is just really difficult.

The aim should be to do the best for the kids - without blame or taking sides.

RoseWithoutAThorn · 02/12/2015 08:34

My ex left when DD was 8 weeks old. He "wasn't ready to be a dad" apparently Confused. Fast forward 7 years when I had moved on, remarried and had other children. Ex hadn't seen DD in all of this time. I received a Solicitors letter completely out of the blue demanding access. She was 7 years old and although she knew DH wasn't her real dad he was in all other ways her "dad". She'd never met her biological father as he checked out of her life years earlier. He'd never paid maintenance or made any effort to see her even although I'd sent regular photos and updates. For the next three years I was caught in a circle of him not turning up for contact, demanding that DD stay overnight with him (keeping in mind he kept missing contact appointments so she didn't know him) and him being an arse. When DD was 10 I got her own Solicitor, that's when things changed and she said she didn't want to see him due to missed contacts Etc. She's not seen or heard from him in 15 years now. The way I looked at the situation was I'd facilitate contact but he needed to ask and arrange it. I stepped back with the view that it was up to him to build a relationship with his DD. Only your ex can keep the relationship going, you can't force him. I won't tell you what my DD thinks of her biological dad and I can't blame her. Don't beat yourself up OP although it's a horrible situation to be in Flowers

WorzelsCornyBrows · 02/12/2015 08:48

My father moved countries and refused to pay for our flights to visit, rarely came home to the UK for visits and wrote maybe twice a year. He didn't have a phone. I know his divorce from my mother was difficult for him, but his ability to just walk away from us without a care for the impact it would have on our self-esteem mystifies me. He might not have been a husband any more, but he was still a father, only he didn't want to be.

OP my siblings and I both have some relatively complex "daddy issues", but have found ways to manage them and be generally happy and successful adults. I think key to this has been being aware that we have a tendency to seek approval and love from men in our lives. Once you're aware, you can stop yourself doing it iyswim.

queenrollo · 02/12/2015 09:08

mine cleared off when I was 2. Resurfaced 30 years later (in response to a post I made online looking for him).

We've had a fairly good relationship the last 8 years until he let me down badly in October and we haven't spoken since.

As a parent with a failed relationship and 50/50 residency of my DS, I know that not all dad's are this feckless.
But mine is just a selfish pig.

Millionprammiles · 02/12/2015 09:20

In part because mothers are seen as the default parent and society doesn't vilify fathers in the way it does mothers who leave their children.

A lot of men have worked out that life can be easier and more enjoyable without children. Why struggle to balance work and childcare when you can parent two weekends a month instead? Why have sleepless nights when your ex wife can have them instead?

Unless you have an abusive ex, it makes more sense to insist (not ask, insist) on a shared care arrangement. Some fathers need a kick up the arse to stop being selfish, immature idiots and to man up to their responsibilities. They might not parent in exactly the way we would choose to but unless there is a real concern, they shouldn't be given an easy exit.

FireCrotch · 02/12/2015 09:21

My brother did this. I hate him for it. Fine. You don't have to stay with someone you don't love but why go on to make another baby with that person and callously dump them at 8 months pregnant? My niblings are being raised by another man they call daddy. He periodically (every two years or so) threatens his ex with legal action but she has never stood in his way and nothing ever comes of it. Luckily for me she lets me see them and as she is a close friend I was her maid of honour at her wedding. It's caused ructions in the family as they firmly believe (my mum included) that because they phased them out I should've too.

gabsdot · 02/12/2015 09:30

DH's dad left their mum for another woman when DH was 14. He was the oldest, his sister was 13 and the youngest brother was 8.
His parents had been married very young because his mum was pregnant with him. She was 16, his dad was 18. They were never very happy. His mum suffered with depression, his dad was unemployed most of the time.
He left them pretty much destitute and he hardly ever saw them. Even now any contact between them is always on DH's part. His brother and sister gave up on him years ago and don't bother too much now. They are more damaged by the experience that DH is.
His dad is still with the OW. She had 3 kids too, (similar ages to DH and his siblings). They had 2 more kids and he has been a brilliant step dad, dad and granddad to his new family. They are all very close and he seems happy.
Anyway DH's theory is that when his dad left he was very guilty about it and seeing his children was too hard for him. The guilt hurt him and so it's been easier to stay away and he's made up for his mistakes by being a good step dad, dad and granddad to his other family.
So my point is that I think the reason people up and leave their children is that, for some, it's easier to cut contact completely that to see them and be reminded of your mistakes and the damage you've done.

OstentatiousBreastfeeder · 02/12/2015 09:34

Indeed, it happens with mothers a lot more than most people think. DH's mother dropped him off at his grandmother's house at the age of 2 with a bag of clothes, saw him a few times a year then just disappeared with her boyfriend for ten years. And a friend of mine was left at an aunt's house when her mother moved to Scotland without her.

There's no doubt it's more prevalent among fathers. I wonder sometimes if there's something to this idea that a father loves their children in a different way to the mother. I don't want to say less, because who can quantify love? But there has to be a difference, something that makes it easier for the father to walk away.

Greydog · 02/12/2015 09:47

My ex left when our son was 2. Ex wasn't ready to be a parent. Son used to stand by the window waiting for Daddy. It broke my heart. Any way after a couple of years I met my husband, and both he and son got on really well. DS had contact with his sperm donor, but only, as I found out later, he was using DS as a cute kid to show off to any likely female, and prove what a good dad he was. After DP and I got married I wanted DS to keep in touch with the other side of his family, but they just didn't bother, and eventually DP wanted to adopt him. So he did, and at the hearing (and I'm welling up thinking about it) the panel asked DS if he had anything to say. So he got up, went to the front and said "I used to have a dad, but he wasn't much good, but I love this one, and I want him to be mine" The chair of the panel did cry! But although his sperm donor was given the chance to speak, we never heard from him. It's always been a mystery to me that the other relatives just couldn't be bothered.

middlings · 02/12/2015 09:54

FireCrotch Flowers

You stick to your guns.

I can't understand how anyone could do this. I hated leaving for work before they woke up this morning!!

Living for the Christmas break so I can spend some proper time with the them.

(yes, yes, I know I'll be screaming to be let back into the office on Jan 4!! Grin)

contrary13 · 02/12/2015 10:01

My ex left us in the most damaging (to our then 3.5 year old son) way possible. He took DS off for the day, having been - I thought - at his parents, having been helping them out with landscaping their garden, the previous night. All well and good. DD (then 11 and from a previous relationship, but ex had been in her life since birth, pretty much, as we've known one another since we were 11) and I were planning on spending the day sorting her bedroom out. Ex called me 10 minutes after he and DS had left to tell me that his girlfriend (whom I knew nothing about) had given birth to their child the previous day and he was taking our DS to meet "his new sister". He then hung up and no one would answer any calls. His parents, when I went there - actually to bring my DS home - wouldn't answer the door. I didn't even know if DS would be brought back to me, or if ex had decided that he and the girlfriend (now his wife) were going to play Happy Families...

DS asked him why he left us a few weeks ago, actually. Following DD (now 19) having a breakdown and a lot of emotion coming out about her having "been abandoned" - or maybe rejected - by both her biological father and the man she considered her Dad. I didn't know DS was going to ask, but... well, he knew about the girlfriend before I did. He kept telling me about "Daddy's friend, X" and, when I asked about her, his "daddy" said, in front of DS, then not even 3, that he was a liar and "just trying to cause trouble". Ex's answer?

Because he didn't want to be tied down to us and X was "more fun" than me.

What I haven't told either one of the children is that ex took a lot of drugs, and I refused to - hence being less "fun" than X... who is now shackled to a permanent man-child, with two children by him. She's also, according to mutual friends, no longer "fun" in his eyes. Oddly enough, when you're a responsible mother... you do cease to be "fun" in many ways. Sadly, a lot of men, including my ex, don't ever grow up mentally or emotionally. Physically, they may be adults - but that's about it. I suspect this is, in many cases, encouraged by their parents.

My ex is supposed to see DS (he won't see DD, for various reasons, which I do actually understand - but will never forgive him for) every other week. But, very often, he disappears off on holidays abroad with X and their children - and we know nothing about it until his mother arrives to collect DS to spend time with them (which I have no problem with... except for how abandoned and unimportant it makes DS feel). Actually, though, I've not seen my ex since his youngest child was born 4 years ago. I know a lot of people encourage co-parenting, and being friends with the other parent who is no longer with them, for the children's sake... but ex was my best friend from the time we were 11 years old to the time we were 31. It's better for my children if we don't meet. Because I don't know that it'd end so very well if we did. The lack of consideration for anyone's feelings except his own is horrific - and, sadly, something which I think is firmly cemented in a person by the time they start school. Ex's parents didn't raise him (he's their PFB, and was actually raised by his maternal grandmother until he was 6, then briefly sent to boarding school. The two children that his parents did raise... well, they're emotionally mature/stable!). But his leaving has had knock on effects. My DD tends to date boys/young men with issues similar to her own, and I suspect this is because of the way in which she was abandoned by both her biological father (who hasn't seen her since she was 3 weeks old, was abusive beyond belief, and she truly is better off without him in her life - although, to be honest, I don't think she grasps that!) and by my (actually emotionally abusive, but it took me until very recently to understand this) ex. Unfortunately for my ex, our DS resents him because of how he refuses to even acknowledge DD - but DS doesn't know the reasons, and... well; I don't think it would help if he did know. It might destroy his relationship with his sister, if he did (and yes: I know that she's not to blame for ex leaving, but one of the reasons as to why he won't acknowledge DD in any way, is because she lied about him physically abusing her - in full sight of me, incidentally, which is how I know she lied. I would have chosen her/DS over ex any day of the week, without hesitation, but I also know that her issues concerning her biological paternal side were pushing her to force both myself and ex to choose her. I did, he ran for the hills, so to speak!).

But... like many other mothers out there, it's me left picking up the pieces of this situation - and I'll be doing that, I suspect, for the rest of my life. DS remembers only too well going to see his prematurely born younger sister in the hospital - and has developed a phobia about hospitals as a direct result (not great, considering that he's required a lot of surgery and medical interventions over the years!). He remembers, too, the way in which he was encouraged for years to call X "mummy", and how confused he was when they eventually married (he asked if I was still going to be his mummy when his daddy married X, and if DD was still his sister, because he had "another sister now"). I cannot do anything to change that. I don't know if he remembers his father calling him a liar to his face. I truly, genuinely, hope that he doesn't. Both of my children are very fortunate that my ex has a brilliant younger brother and sister - who have always been there for them. Even though they're both married with children of their own now, they spend time with both DS and DD, they make sure they know how loved they both are by them, and... I don't understand how ex could be so very different to his own siblings. But I'm grateful that they are. DD, for example, is Godmother to the younger brother's eldest daughter and she has a fantastic aunt/niece relationship with the brother's wife.

Just make sure that your DC know how much you love them, don't speak ill of their father in front of them (something which I have never, and will never do - even when faced with my DS asking me why he "had" to call X "mummy" and if I'd still be his mummy when ex and X married), and understand that this isn't your fault, or your DC's fault.

It's his.

And it'll be his loss as they grow up to be fantastic individuals - because of you and your influence.

(I would, however, encourage you to find someone whom your DD can talk to about how she feels concerning this situation - if only because I truly wish I'd done the same for my DD. Bottling up, or repressing her emotions concerning her dad leaving... please believe me: I'd not wish a breakdown like that which my DD's had, on anyone. And it was, in part, because of my ex - who was her "dad" in every way but biologically, for 11 years - abandoning her.)

FireCrotch · 02/12/2015 10:04

Cheers middlings. I love them so much. I don't get to see them as much as I used to and that upsets me. I did the night feeds for both of them so my friend could sleep and recuperate. He threw her out with their son at 3 days old and we took them in. My nephew was so used to my dh that he called him uncadaddy (uncle and daddy). I'm glad my friend is happy. She married and had another child. I do feel a bit sidelined as it can be months between visits. My mum used to say that I'd be "fucked off out of it" when she met a new man and I always said I didn't care as I'd done the right thing by refusing to cast them aside.

sparklesandglitterxx · 02/12/2015 10:08

my ds dad fucked off when ds was 2 to live 200 miles away with some random girl he met on plenty of fish and her child. he stopped paying maintenance and everything

not a backward glance was given, we weren't together btw but till he moved away, he had regular contact with ds

2 years later it all went tits up, and of course he came running back to his home town and wanted contact again. i allowed him to have it although a big spiteful part of me wanted to tell him to do one. he acts like dad of the year now....I will never forget what he did but I will never tell ds, as he doesn't remember

I also agree with someone earlier in the thread how the dads parents sometimes stop bothering with the kids as well ....I don't get that either

it wont be a popular view but I honestly believe mums are just way more bonded with the kids than dads as dads just find it so easy to leave. yet its very rare that a mum leaves her kids

pseudonymity · 02/12/2015 10:09

My father abandoned me at a very young age. I don't remember him at all, but the feelings I have inherited from this have been the defining factor of my life so far.

IfNotNowThenWhenever · 02/12/2015 10:26

Marilyn some women may well choose rubbish men to father their children, but let's face it, if men don't want to be parents, there is no International condom shortage as far as I am aware.
All these stories about men "not being ready to be fathers" give me the rage. Why can't they take some responsibility for NOT fathering children then?
I agree that there seems to be little shame about men leaving their kids and barely, or never, seeing them. But we live in a patriarchal society, where mens selfish interests are protected. Look at how many men get away with not paying child support. Why is this allowed to happen? If you don't pay taxes, or even council tax, you can go to jail. Why isn't paying for your own kids enforced legally?
As for how men can walk away emotionally, I don't know, except that I believe that men seem to often be wedded to the notion of romantic bliss. They hanker after hot sexy intense love affairs (don't we all!) and don't seem to be able to accept that marriage and family life changes things. So they go off with another woman , who fulfills this ideal in their minds (for now) and the abandoned children are seen as part of the old life. So maybe it's easier for them to leave everything, lock stock and barrel, than to maintain a connection through the children.
Men can be scarily good at compartmentalising, I find.
I do find it hard to comprehend though. I reckon ds dad has not seen him for 6 months now. I just can't imagine being able to do that. I would miss him so much!

Baconyum · 02/12/2015 10:27

First off I also know of 2 mums that abandoned their kids. Neither paid maintenance despite having well paid jobs. One would arrange contact then let down at last minute, then faded out of child's life. One completely abandoned. No contact at all. Both returned after approx 10 years went for full residency and majorly kicked off at not getting it as they assumed as 'mothers' they would. One child has no further contact. The others are now adults and the relationship they have with their 'mother' is more like that you'd have with an aunt you don't like that much.

The excuses are just that!

Guilt - well of you didn't behave badly there wouldn't be any! Kids especially as they get older understand romantic relationships don't always work out that doesn't apply to your kids!

Distance/cost - I've yet to know an absent parent who genuinely doesn't have the time/money to see their kids! All bar none that I know can afford luxury cars, houses and several holidays a year. If they can afford that they can afford the time/cost involved on seeing their kids.

Ex making it difficult - again yet to come across a genuine case of this. Plenty of cases where the rp has got fed up of seeing and dealing with heartbroken kids constantly let down by nrp and so have said to nrp go to court! Get a proper contact order in place. NRP's then either don't (more claims of non existent poverty, you can represent yourself and if you have a shit about your kids you'd go without to see them!), or do and then demand ridiculous terms, then don't stick to the agreement (letting kids down again).

Blaming new partner - usually not true, but where it is why are you choosing a new partner over your kids?!

I split with ex when dd 2. He was literally a 5 min walk away for the first 6 months. Still late/didn't turn up for contact.

Didn't pay maintenance first 2.5 years.

Ex military so I had to move off base. Next 4 years we lived 20 min drive away but...next street to his mother who he saw every weekend, would have driven by our house.

Illness and other circs meant I then moved 6 hours away to be near my family. I made it clear that I was happy to meet him halfway on contact arrangements.

First couple years we shared school holidays. This deteriorated as he left making arrangements to the last minute and so costs were out of my reach plus flights were better due to location (one flight easier than 4 trains) but he'd leave it so late despite my 'nagging' that there'd be no tickets left!

Dd at this point old enough for phone calls etc but these were few and far between.

As dd got older I learned that when she did visit, she was not given enough to eat, sent to bed much earlier than at home and for her age, not allowed an opinion, told what to wear and even physically dressed by him way beyond age at which she was more than capable of doing so herself.

Dd now 15 has had 2 phone calls all year. Last one was very upsetting and basically now she has decided she hasn't got a dad!

What I really object to is that estranged NRP's can walk back into a child's life, take the rp to court and in most cases despite years of no contact, gets awarded an in person contact arrangement without anyone the child knows present! It should IMO be possible (not easy but possible) to refuse an estranged nrp contact on the basis of them not having been an engaged parent in previous years. It's a form of ea against a CHILD!!

Baconyum · 02/12/2015 10:31

Oh and as for the feckless choice of father etc my ex have absolutely no indication of this prior to me being SIX MONTHS PREGNANT!

We'd been together several years, married 4, planned pregnancy...

Then at 6 months pregnant he turns round says he's 'not ready' Angry

He was an ok dad first 2 years till we split but pretty much the instant we did he didn't give a shit!

harboromummy · 02/12/2015 10:49

How do you go about adopting children? Does the ex have to sign them over or can it be done if no contact between them for years?

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CalypsoLilt · 02/12/2015 11:13

I'm 7 months pregnant, OH left 2 months ago and haven't heard a peep. Not even sure if he's in the country. He didn't show up to the 20 week scan even with an invite and a reminder.

I think he's a narcissist, can't think of any other valid reason (perhaps Italian only child?!). But I think he's now on a life long sulk because I've "ruined his life" and won't have anything to do with baby to spite me. Sometimes I think his disappearance is a blessing in disguise.

It breaks my heart to already know the pain and suffering of the child I am bringing into the world :( especially as my dad passed away in 2011, so baby won't have a grandfather either Sad

Sunnyshores · 02/12/2015 11:14

There are a lot of Dads living at home with their kids, pretending (maybe even thinking) they're fantastic fathers, when in reality they know nothing ahout their children - their favourite foods, best friends, where and when to buy them clothes or shoes, what to buy them for xmas, how theyre doing in school etc etc. Its no suprise that when they split with the mother they just move out and move on...... without the mum facilitating their relationship with their kids they just dont know how to connect with them at all.

harboromummy · 02/12/2015 11:23

Very very true! Ex knew nothing about the dc. And knows nothing now. Thing is, I left him. He didn't leave me. He would have happily carried on this "pretending". He was emotionally and physically abusive. I'm so SO glad I left. The dc when asked about their "dad" say that he left because he hit mummy. They saw it happen. I can't deny it.

I'm glad he's gone. Just fucked off that he's now playing happy families with his new gf and showing her kids off to his family.

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seasidesally · 02/12/2015 11:32

another thing that makes me see red is that that dead beat parent that has not seen their dc's for years pops up again when they are 16 + and wants to see them

ive seen this a few times,the dead beat wants to be mates go drinking etc and sometimes the kids think their great which must be ery upsetting for the parent that has done the 24/7 hard slog

that really gets my goat

FeliciaJollygoodfellow · 02/12/2015 11:49

This is such a sad thread. Flowers for all.

I used to know someone who had a child but claimed to have no contact with them because the mother had said it was either him or his parents could see the child. He opted for his parents as they wouldn't be around forever Hmm

It sounded like bullshit to a naive 20 year old with no kids, it still sounds like bullshit!

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