Should the UK bomb Syria? Yes or no thread.

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Shall we have a little vote, here and now?

It's a big "no" from me.

Absolutely No. Peace will not be achieved by this, for anyone, in any country.

No. It'll just make everything worse.

Thank you for the petition link. Lots of signatures already, but need lots more it seems...

No

Signed

No. Nope. Nein. Nyet. Non.

It'll achieve nothing but bloodshed and misery as recent (and not so recent) history has taught us.

lThe reports I've heard is that the majority are most often killed fighting ISIS. labelling them all as a bunch of defectors is unfair.

Well I don't know what you're listening to, but it's certainly not the news BarbarianMum. Or at least not up to date news.

This isn't something that's up for debate. It's a fact. It's well documented by several sources. The US has had to admit that it only has four or five trained moderate rebels despite a £500 million pound programme. It had just over 100 trained earlier this year. The first battalion defected almost entirely, the second went over directly to Al Qaeda in it's entirety shortly after and that is the sum total other than four or five who are left.

And the 'majority' who 'are most often killed fighting ISIS'. Um, that would be one confirmed death. Perhaps you are thinking of the reports in July when they initially said they had been captured? The US have since admitted that only one was captured and the rest defected.

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/23/us-trained-rebel-officer-syria-defected-al-qaida

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/16/us-military-syrian-isis-fighters

They simply cannot find people who are committed to the cause of being moderate western backed 'rebels'. There just aren't any.

No

Yes

Yes

Are the civilians to be bombed in order to be liberated? if so, yes.

I objected to Rooster's phraseology as a personal attack against Corbyn. It's pretty vile wishing death by decapitation against another human, after all.

I'm simply pointing out what would happen to him if he came face to face with these loathsome barbarians. ISIS are the Nazis of the 21st Century, psychopathic women-haters ruling a population of 6 million people by terror, and busy pushing their tendrils into a number of other states. People can pontificate about diplomatic actions and addressing 'root causes', but personally I can't be bothered to wait for 25 years in the hope that this shit will sort itself out. Innocent people dying at the hands of NATO aircraft? Not as many as are dying at the hands of ISIS every day that Corbyn sits there wanking off over the moral high ground.

As for those who keep asking how bombing ISIS will keep us safe? Wrong question. We could have stayed safe in 1939 by coming to terms with Hitler. No bombing of Britain. No London Blitz, no bombing of Coventry, Liverpool and Bristol, no dead civvies and no dead soldiers. And no mass bombing of Germany in return. Lovely clean hands. Of course, the rest of Europe and Eurasia would have been subject to the horrors of genocide but hey ho, we'd have been safe. Jog on.

People also seem to be in possession of some sort of crystal ball that keeps returning the prediction that intervention will make things worse. Believe you me, things can get a lot worse than they are now without us intervening.

No!

No

No

www.labour.org.uk/page/s/syria-consultation

Jeremy is asking for people's views on military action in Syria.

Just had an email from Jezza asking for my opinion.

Everyone who is against it should contact their MP this weekend to make their views known. Quite a few may be undecided

Maybe everyone who is for it should also contact their MP, in the interests of balance

Yes

No better solutions are to be had.

They care chomping at the bit for war, I doubt the MP's need encouraging emails.

No.

Shinydaves rhetoric that we must stand strong with our allies (France) is a load of crap. We can do that without bombing the shit out of a country that is already being pulverized by France, the US, Turkey and Russia. I don't think we can make much of a difference

We should use that money instead on counter terrorism measures here in the UK and if needed provide tactical support to French counter terrorism units.

ISIS aren't just in Syria.

Yes to tactical bombing of Daesh in Syria.

Yes to bombing ISIS. No to bombing Syria.

"People also seem to be in possession of some sort of crystal ball that keeps returning the prediction that intervention will make things worse"

Yes, it's called history, very recent history.