to think this is unacceptable

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Just found out that in my hometown high school PE activities are still split by gender. The boys do football and rugby, the girls do netball and hockey. When the girls do dance, the boys do tennis. I cant believe this seperation is still going on without question.

Apparantly if a child 'kicks up a fuss' about wanting to do a sport of the opposite gender they will be allowed to do it but would be the only boy or girl in the class, hence hardly any do.

I think this is outrageous, all children should be taught all sports available as standard. Why is a seperation based on gender neccessary, and why is this still going on?

So you are saying that boys and girls should all play rugby and football together, it shouldn't be non mixed?

I quite like that actually does a 360 degree turn.

Why such an argument? so you are saying that girls on the whole are the same as boys in brute strength

No, I am saying that sometimes girls and boys can play together, as long as strength and ability are matched, but usually they have single-sex teams, playing against other single-sex teams, but they are still able to play that sport. So the women with a certain amount of 'brute strength' can play against other women with the same 'brute strength'.

Just asked my DS this and he said that the boys would want to protect the girls so it wouldnt be possible. A boy would not ever use the force he had against the girl.

What? You were arguing against girls playing rugby claiming "strength" as a reason, and now you are in favour of MIXED teams? You are not making any sense.

Except that is, if you hate girls and hope they are beaten up by the boys.

Glad to hear your son is "benevolent" sexist, and not a fully grown misogynist like you.

ok, so school is still mainstream and goes with what the boys and girls generally want to do.

So, its a YABU still.

Honestly, Pinot - think you are just tying yourself up in knots. You are not reading most of what people have posted, what you have read you appear to be misinterpreting, and then you are contradicting yourself.

I am tired now - off to bed.

Night night all .....

why are you being so damn rude vestal? thats not really called for is it?

The word is "emasculate" Pinot

Good night, Evans. Good idea, I think I should also go to bed.

@pinot: It is not rude to say the truth. If you behave like a misogynist, I get to call you one. Regardless of what you may believe, it is not a meaningless insult, it is an actual word with actual meaning.

And you want to force girls to do sports they do not find fun, because you think girls should not be strong. How is that anything other but woman-hating?

Strength is a a reason. boys will not hurt girls so my argument stands. My argument stands too because men are allowed a brute force sport. Its what they do and good for them.. Women don't need to encroach on it. Very hypercritical. Tear down the womens institute then. There cannot be different rules. So many women think there are. That is Ridiculous.

Night guys!

Ooppss, sorry for using a 'boys' term How foolish of me, what a silly little woman I am!

Toddle off then OP

Take your misconstrued womens issues right with you.

Pinot do you realise how you're coming across? Or is it a case of negative attention is better than no attention?

wicked I dont really care how I come across. i dont check what i said when. i dont carry over things either. i post honestly and couldnt give a flying fuck about it.

I say what I want when I want.

You don't carry over things either?

Oh why don't we have a laughing emoticon for times like these?

not sure what you mean wicked? whats up?

I have my own rules on here.

I never call anyone stupid.
I never correct spelling.
I never think Im better than anyone else.
I never use humour as a weapon.

Im sure there are plenty of boys that dont like rugby, they get told to buck up and get on with it, as should any girls complaining about it IMO

I was on your side OP up until then. If girls want to play these sports , then fine but why should any child be forced to put with a sport?

Girls didn't play football or rugby at my school. I can't imagine however playing either would have been any less tedious than hockey, netball, volleyball or lacrosse.

Oh of course you will no doubt respond exercise is important - walking and cycling and swimming is exercise - it doesn't have to involve (pointlessly) getting balls into nets.

How big is your school?

Ours has 240 per year and single sex PE lessons. Teachers don't always teach the same sex.

Boys and girls do the same sports (rugby being the exception/ girls do touch rugby) with each sport being played for half a term.

I'm in early 30's and we were split girls and boys.
Im sooo thankful we never did football or rugby!
We did netball, tennis, rounders and dance.
I dropped it as soon as possible.
I was a goody goody at school but if they'd made us do football or rugby i would have done anything to get out of it.

It would take quite a brave, outgoing child to ask to participate in a sport played by the opposite sex. I can imagine they'd get a bit of a hard time from both boys and girls and probably some teachers. Plus a lot wouldn't even think to ask. Most people don't challenge the status quo.

All the children should do the same sports, maybe still separated by sex if size is an issue, I don't imagine that would be the case for primary school. In the adult world both men and women dance and both play rubgy. In fact didn't the UK women's rugby team win the last world cup? (They did).

I went to a girl's school and now I see how lucky we were that our PE classes were so varied. We did basketball, football, badminton, hockey, dance, trampolining, a real range. And no netball surprisingly. I was awful at pretty much everything, but to say that girls wouldn't enjoy/be capable of specific sports is a real insult to them. There were some excellent and dedicated sports players at my school - basketball and football particularly. And I know a brilliant male dancer who started going to dance classes when he was about 5. Why set children limits based on our own prejudices?

If girls want to play these sports , then fine but why should any child be forced to put with a sport?

Children are currently forced with a sport though. Some boys dont like playing rugby, they have to do it because its part of their curriculum. In my view it should be part of all childrens cirriculum, not just limited to one sex. If they dont like it, tough. You dont like everything you do at school. Why should a male student have to put up with it, but a female student doesnt?

I dont think letting the students pick and chose which activities or subjects they want to do is a wise choice, nearly everyone would be dropping maths in that scenario! Everyone should do the same activities/subjects regardless of sex. Cant get more fair and equal than that.

Haven't feat the full thread at the moment, will go back and do so in a minute. Just wanted to say that I live in a Midfle East country and the boys and girls do all the sports. Are taught by men and women and do mixed and individual games.

Seems odd that if a school in a Muslim country can manage it then why can't a British school.