Cinema ban on the Lord's Prayer

[Leafitout]

Surely if anyone finds this advert offensive they can choose not to watch it. I can't see the problem with showing it.

See the thing is though people who believe that disrespectful behaviour towards others is an inherent part of their faith are never going to agree that that behaviour is wrong or something they shouldn't do. It is an utterly futile argument to have because the faith trumps everything.

"What angers you about someone praying for you privately?"

It doesn't anger me at all. I just don't want people to do it.

And as for the "talking to God in confidence " thing. If I told someone something about me and asked them not to tell anyone, then that would mean anyone. And if they think God is real, then telling their God would be breaking my confidence. And unnecessary, because presumably he knows already.......

Whether someone will refrain from praying for you if asked not to is somewhat irrelevant to whether you can ask them not to do it though.

I mean really, are you suggesting no-one ask not to be prayed for?

That's a little silly. I expect respect. I recognise people won't necessarily respect me on it, I'm not wrong for expecting the respect. The people who disrespect others are wrong for the disrespect. It can't be prevented, it doesn't make it acceptable or mean people should not express their wish not to be prayed for.

*"Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptised shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned."

Yes - it's not quite the same as "Go and pass a law saying that children who have no belief in me must nevertheless take part in a daily act worshipping me, and while you're about it make sure a few of my bishops have an automatic place in Parliament", is it?

And then there's Matthew 6:

“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.

But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you."

Yes offered and that difference is big enough to make the two incomparable .

There are those who seem to enjoy bring derogatory towards those with different beliefs (see username). Seems like anyone who voices a belief in God is fair game. I don't have that belief but it's pretty rude to call someone smug and arrogant just because they are christian. I think Christians in this country do get a hard time, as proven in this thread!

This has turned into a riduculous argument now as far as I'm concerned. Suggesting that someone praying for another person is similar to ISIS. . Im not religious and even I can see the childishness in these latest a posts! pointless!

It angers me because I do not want to be co-opted against my wishes into someone else's religious practice.

Most people do not agree with me, which is irrelevant.

It is far from childish. How do you think people are being radicalised by ISIS? It's because they belief in the idea of one true faith and are being convinced they need to take action to promote that idea.

Why would anyone want to pray to a god that is either uncaring/evil (given all the shit that goes on the world) or useless? (i.e. they aren't uncaring or evil but can't actually do anything)

If you want to make up a god as least make them have some kind of superpowers otherwise really what is the point? Might as well pray to my cat.

Yes of course people who voice a belief are fair game - aren't we all? People can believe what they like in the privacy of their own heads/houses/places they decide to gather in private. Once you start enforcing that on other people and using up valuable education time as you think you have special privilege to do, then sorry but that is fair game for people to object.

and for what it's worth, as much as I hate christianity, i feel exactly the same or more for other religions, it's not a bash the christian thing as far as I am concerned. You are all as bad as each other, perpetuating the idea that it's only your way that people need to be and everyone else should do what you do.

I request that you do not pray to your cat for me...

Ego, the did that to my son at a school trip. Which I had paid for. It was meant to be an adventure day for new High school pupils and at lunch they got them together for a bit of being preached at and did the "now let us pray" scam. It made my son very uncomfortable but he just sat in silence (being respectful), he was especially uncomfortable as he was aware that there were children of other faiths there too.

It had no place in the event.

Anyway the school hasn't been back, I guess they are no longer getting a discount if they don't allow the preaching and prayer bit.

It angers me because I do not want to be co-opted against my wishes into someone else's religious practice.

You must be angry a lot then. Spiritual belief can change people on a profound level, how they think and what they do. Which of course affects their interaction with other people, how they interact with, dare I say it....you.

If you were so vocal, against my religion, if I happened to meet you, I might not actually tell you about my faith straight away. However, don't be under any illusion, whatever I spoke to you, however I acted with you, would be affected by my faith. If you live amongst people who are Christians or indeed anybody who holds any belief about anything and interact with them, their beliefs will affect you, on some level.

Cat says "get to fuck", she isn't granting anyone's wishes anyway. I know this of course as I hear her voice in my head.

Not every religious person practices their religion in the way you do.

Your behaviour and choices are the issue. Yes, if you don't respect other people's beliefs they will likely be angry.

And I am not against your religion. I am against the way you choose to practice your religion which is in a way that lacks respect for other people's beliefs.

"All the good stories in the Bible."

I'm always a bit about Noah's ark being taught as a 'nice bible story'

Sorry, major delays with posting atm. The thread has long moved on!