Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To wonder how all the people wearing the French flag on FB feel now they've bombed Syria?

328 replies

TheHouseOnTheLane · 16/11/2015 00:15

So..."everyone" popped a French flag on their FB profile in sympathy with Paris.

Now France has shot over there and dropped 20 bombs on ISIS HQ and training centre.

So...people are happily condoning war really.

Why not all change profile pics to a peace sign?

I know ISIS are bad...but as we all say, violence solves nothing. Nothing.

OP posts:
Sallyingforth · 17/11/2015 13:50

If only it were possible saraquilt.
They should be killed where possible, but unfortunately they are just in too many places for bombing alone to succeed.

firstdirect · 17/11/2015 14:00

You can't bomb an ideology - it is of no fixed abode.

IKnowIAmButWhatAreYou · 17/11/2015 14:39

You can't bomb an ideology - it is of no fixed abode.

You can bomb the twats that follow and practice it though.

Shooting people at a rock concert has nothing to do with France's ideology in bombing Syria, but it didn't stop ISIS did it?

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 17/11/2015 15:45

I've been considering this since the weekend and I am slightly puzzled and concerned. I watched the women of the Kurdish militias who are fighting ISIS on the ground in admiration while simultaneously recognising that their strength can also only lead eventually to a resurgent Kurdish independence movement. Where does it stop?

According to Wikipedia and The Guardian [which admittedly doesn't mean anything giving it's totally conflicting reports] the pre-war population of Raqqa was 220,000 people [census 2004 & 2012] though the province [7500 sq m] was almost 1m

220k
www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/30/raqqa-isis-capital-crucifixions-civilians-suffer-jihadis-red-bull
1m to 400k
www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/21/islamic-state-capital-raqqa-syria-isis

So let's assume for a second that the 400k population is erroneous and the 220k is correct. The place has been bombed to bits for years and anecdotal evidence suggests that Isis have tortured the residents there for some time over every real or imagined transgression. You have to assume that those with the means and/or working legs have left.

The population of Syria in 2010 was 22m and the number of refugees 12m so over 50% of the population have left??
www.worldvision.org/news-stories-videos/syria-war-refugee-crisis

[don't google Raqqa images unless you have a very strong stomach]

So my best case estimate is that there is at most 100k people still living in Raqqa and perhaps as few as 75k. Isis are estimated at sub 8,000 personnel in broadsheet reports.

Even with precision bombing that's a lot of civilians still to avoid. What they want in terms of support is unknown. A ground war is clearly an intolerable solution for western nations due to the casualties that would ensue in another middle east war, not to mention what President Asad's forces might do with an invading force with a clear intention to replace Asad while destroying Isis. There is no right answer but bombing from the sky above can only breed a new generation of people who hate the west for the death of their loved ones, regardless of how well targeted those bombs are.

I wish I could come up with a view that is unconflicted and straightforward so I could support a side, change my facebook profile to the French flag temporarily and not be too embarrassed to do so given the widespread lack of similar support for middle east nations who deal with this sort of thing daily.

The only positive thing that I feel I can contribute is to support the refugees in any way I can so that when the time is right to return if they wish, they can build a better Syria. While the numbers on the borders of Europe are enormous, the Lebanon and Jordan are overwhelmed. Millions of people are living in dire poverty without proper homes, education and opportunity. This is likely to persist for years and international efforts to assist and the long term benefits of doing so must be acknowledged?

ivykaty44 · 17/11/2015 16:30

Until the oil runs out we will continue to suffer Isis or groups that replace them. Even now Saudis Qatar and Kuwait fund Isis but our government fly's the union flag at half mask when the Saudi king dies - why when we know they fund the people that want to murder and cause devastation as they did last Friday.

We the population of Europe and certainly France have not got what we deserved, that is a terrible accusation. We have though suffered this atrocity due to our government making choices not just now but in the past that has invited this happening when the governments could have made a stand against countries that give money to Isis. Our government would do this though as oil is at stake....

We will have to be careful as China will control our nuclear power and the Saudis our oil, make sure you know who our governments have got into bed with as it certainly will effect our future

Giraffescandance1 · 17/11/2015 16:59

Yabu. I am glad if France are doing something to curtail the vile ISIS. Now Europe also needs to do something about bogus refugees.

I'm not a fan of war but I'm not a fan of standing back and letting us get trampled all over by murderous bastards either.

Hth.

thebestfurchinchilla · 17/11/2015 17:05

Oh I cannot stand this type of post. I posted a French flag in support of the French people, the innocents caught up in an attack that had nothing to do with them, NOT to support the French government.

GROW UP!

Mehitabel6 · 17/11/2015 18:09

Exactly thebestfurchunchilla - I have posted a French flag in support and I can't see why I should feel differently- I don't.

Mehitabel6 · 17/11/2015 18:11

I am not condoning war- if someone thinks that I am that is their problem.

Chipstick10 · 17/11/2015 18:11

More appeasement. What are they supposed to do apart from wringing their hands ?

GhostofFrankGrimes · 17/11/2015 18:17

and now we are going to bomb our way to peace. Worked so well in Iraq and Afghanistan, what could possibly go wrong?

regenerationfez · 17/11/2015 18:35

Apparently most of our oil comes from Norway though. It's more likely to be property interests in the City of London that is at risk. We have become dependent on the banking and property industries and they are just as bankrolled by the Saudis. And actually the British arms industry is drenched in the blood of this conflict too. I think it's outrageous that the flag was flown at half mast for the Saudi king. However, what will a toppling of the Saudi Royal family do, apart from let a load more fundamentalist nutjobs out with no control? The IS murderers don't care about retaliation for those killed in Syria, because they are doing much of the killing. On one hand, non intervention in the ME would have kept the Taliban in place with their horrendous abuse of women, and Sadaam Hussein free to eliminate the Kurds and the opposition, but we might have been fine. But on the other hand, what do we do about the Saudis that won't destabilise the region? Nothing. But that means dealing with them and keeping them onside instead of refusing to trade with them.

QuintShhhhhh · 17/11/2015 19:21

Would it really be such a bad thing if middle eastern interests pulled out of the buy to let market in the UK?

Maybe finally we could see some decent affordable property prices.

Is a crash in the uk property market such a bad thing?

QuintShhhhhh · 17/11/2015 19:23

As an aside, do you remember the Saudi Royal family was boooed out of Nice this summer? The locals refused let them use the public beach as their private beach, and install a lift from the cliffs above to the beach from their summer residence.

regenerationfez · 17/11/2015 20:07

No it wouldn't be. It would go a long way to restoring the sanity back into the housing market, and mean that people could afford to live and work in London again, but we are held to ransom by the banks and the property markets reliance, especially in the South East on dirty money and blood money being washed through the City of London.

DeoGratias · 17/11/2015 20:10

ISIS has a huge amount of money. Things are always about money at heart. They have so much territory and oil. So the way to stop them is cut off the money.

I don't personally favour interfering in the Middle East at all. I just want to secure EU borders and root out militants here on home turf and leave other people in other countries to kill each other and defend their own territories.

wallywobbles · 17/11/2015 20:14

Massive approval ratings according to the news

Awks · 17/11/2015 20:14

Yeah, you're right I'll change my status back to me in a bobble hat and write ISIS a letter.

evilcherub · 17/11/2015 20:36

I wonder when the Stop the War Coalition is going to be marching against the Russian bombing of Syria?

Ubik1 · 17/11/2015 20:51

"Dear Isis,
I am writing to complain about..."

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 17/11/2015 20:53

Well to be honest that would probably be as effective as the bombings will be. I.e. not at all

IKnowIAmButWhatAreYou · 17/11/2015 21:02

I.e. not at all

I don't know, the feeling that something is being done rather than laying back & taking it is quite nice...

LimboNovember · 17/11/2015 21:24

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12000928/The-worlds-determination-to-defeat-Isil-is-a-myth.html

interesting and clear article on all the different aims of all the groups fighting ISIS.

So many are already at it and why its failing.

I wonder if there has ever been such a convoluted contorted world crisis.

Ubik1 · 17/11/2015 21:29

Basically no one gets to feel all warm and fuzzy at the outcome of all this. There is no good solution, just a range of shit options which no one is showing much appetite for.

What is Hollande supposed to do?

Swipe left for the next trending thread