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To wonder how all the people wearing the French flag on FB feel now they've bombed Syria?

328 replies

TheHouseOnTheLane · 16/11/2015 00:15

So..."everyone" popped a French flag on their FB profile in sympathy with Paris.

Now France has shot over there and dropped 20 bombs on ISIS HQ and training centre.

So...people are happily condoning war really.

Why not all change profile pics to a peace sign?

I know ISIS are bad...but as we all say, violence solves nothing. Nothing.

OP posts:
GunningforISIS · 16/11/2015 18:56

One wonders how many of those displaying the Tricolore on FB, or claiming to be 'with Paris' now thought Charlie Hebdo's cartoons went too far, or disapproved of France banning the niqab in public?

It's easy to feel sorry for people killed by terrorists. Far harder to defend our way of life and do the messy, awkward work of challenging Islamism wherever it crops up.

WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 16/11/2015 19:01

I changed to the flag because I feel sorry for the civillians murdered in Paris. What their country does or does not bomb is not their fault.

I aLso feel sorry for the Pakistani school kids, the Kenyan Uni students, the Australian coffee shop customers, the Syrian civillians who may get killed by a stray rocket. I feel sorry for the Syrian and Iraqi civilians killed by ISIS. I feel sorry for the refugees leaving their homes and drowning en route.

I don't feel sorry for any ISIS people killed in their HQ and other buildings targeted by France. I reckon they deserve what they get.

Aliceinwonderlust · 16/11/2015 19:09

What do you mean gunning for ISIS?
I changed my picture. I think banning the niquab is a pretty great idea and though the CH cartoons were very bad taste but no big deal. I don't know if this means I am allowed to change picture or not by your rules?

GunningforISIS · 16/11/2015 19:10

How do we move on from feeling sorry? Shouldn't we take action? Or at the very least, argue for a course of action in the hope of winning others over?

I apologise but part of me feels that simply feeling sorry for people is not enough. We must do more.

Orda1 · 16/11/2015 19:18

Wipe them off the face of the planet.

OnTheEdgeToday · 16/11/2015 19:22

I initially changed my fb pic to the french flag, when i first heard the news. I then learned of all of the other awful shit that happened elsewhere and took it down. Then added a picture of candles all around the world.

I felt it was wrong to be 'appearing' supportive of only one place whilst claiming solidarity. The world fits in nicely for what id like to get across.

GunningforISIS · 16/11/2015 19:22

Alice - anyone is allowed to change their picture but I am pointing out that many people who claim to support France now were nevertheless in the past opposing historic expressions of French secularism and freedom of speech.

Similarly, all that rubbish about welcoming refugees to Europe a few weeks back - people warned that there would be terrorists within their midst and were denounced as racists for so doing. We now know that at least 2 of the Paris attackers came into Europe hidden within that wave of people, encouraged to come by Angela Merkel.

Littleonesaid · 16/11/2015 19:25

I'm absolutely fine with bombs being dropped on strategic ISIS targets. No problem whatsoever - the French have my full support.

Lachattequrit · 16/11/2015 19:26

I've not rtft because it's too long.
I've changed my Fb profile pic because the attacks on Paris affected me more personally than any of the other horrible things that have happened in the world recently.
I love Paris. I've been there many times, and will be there again soon. I've been to one of the places that was targeted. I have friends and family who live there. None of that is true for, Beirut for example. I've never been and most likely never will.
That is not to say that what happened in Beirut, or anywhere else is less tragic. Of course the lives lost in Beirut were just as valuable as those lost in Paris.
I have a strong emotional attachment to Paris that I don't have to other places. The French government has no bearing on my fb profile.
YABU

LagunaBubbles · 16/11/2015 19:37

It's tiring now all the people rushing to be so oh ever so PC about the flag on FB and going on about all the other atrocities carried out - regardless of whether some people like it or not there is and will be a lot of people that feel more of an affinity to France than parts of the Middle East. Just a fact.

GwynethPaltrowIamNot · 16/11/2015 19:46

How do you take the flag away on FB ?

Lostcat2 · 16/11/2015 19:51

Yes if only you had been around to help in 1939 op. You could have asked Hitler nicely to stop being so naughty and leave world domination be.

PlymouthMaid1 · 16/11/2015 20:00

Seems a shame that since the the authorities knew where this training camp was, that they didn't bomb the barbaric lunatics sooner.

madein1995 · 16/11/2015 21:24

Not read the full thread. Personally, I feel fine about France bombing an ISIS camp. Less of the evil bastards the better. ISIS want to destroy the west, no amount of hand wringing or peace talks is going to change that. Sometimes you have to fight violence with violence. Just laying there and taking it, what would that do? I'm glad that the West is fighting back. I'm getting mightily fed up of people whinging that war will do nothing. Well its a damn sight better than trying to reason with terrorists. Not usually an eye for eye and all that but I really don't see what else governments can do.

CreepingDogFart · 16/11/2015 21:26

I agree with the above poster.

itsmeohlord · 16/11/2015 21:32

OP

Are you Jeremy Corbyn?

MidnightAura · 16/11/2015 21:39

I haven't read the full thread. I agree with the bombing of The Isis training and command centre. As madein1995 says I'm not sure what else we can do at this stage. They don't want to negotiate, we can exactly invite them round for a cup of tea and give them a slap in the wrist. We have to do something.

NotQuitePerfect · 16/11/2015 22:20

Well said madein1995

Sallyingforth · 16/11/2015 22:29

I'm very glad they have been bombing Daesh.

It may not be possible to kill every one of the vile innocent-beheading gay-murdering child-rapists by bombing, but the more they can blow to pieces the better.

maggieryan · 16/11/2015 22:39

I donated, more important than people pissing about with profile pics and getting load of likes on fb

OnTheEdgeToday · 16/11/2015 22:45

Since they have retaliated and bombed them with airstrikes... will isis step it up and use airstrikes? Do they have access to that kind of shit?
Sorry if im appearing slightly thick, but im curious and ill never know unless i ask

JamesBlonde1 · 16/11/2015 22:47

Sadly, the reason we don't hear in the news of every bomb going off in the Middle East, is because that is what happens there and has done since I was a kid. It's the norm, no matter what we think about it. And long will it continue.

I remember the Beirut situation as a child.

Is anyone old enough to recall a time when the Middle East wasn't fighting and buildings getting blown up and dust everywhere?

France on the other hand, a western country, doesn't get bombed, attacked or shot at on a regular basis. So when it does it makes headline news.

The French attack is also closer to home and shows how matters can potentially have a direct impact upon us.

That's why it makes headline news. It's obvious.

JamesBlonde1 · 16/11/2015 22:48

Oh and I would gladly press the button to deal with those ISIS scum. Zero regret.

nortonhouse · 16/11/2015 22:53

Somehow I have no sympathy for ISIS .... It would be truly terrible, of course, if there were civilian casualties, but this is clearly not the intention of the French government with this particular mission.
So - yes, YABU.

Sallyingforth · 16/11/2015 22:55

Daesh are a contagious disease. They must be wiped out just like ebola or any other deadly infection.

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