In hoping they got that Jihadi John executioner?

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Very odd AIBU and perhaps I am being very U.

I am as woolly and bleeding heart as you get usually.

I know we set a dangerous precedent by these attacks...no jury or judge, no trial (not that they could easily get him back to hold one).

I am conflicted about how I feel but I am just thinking of Alan Henning and all those other people who went out to eithe support aid or to tell the world what was happening and who died brutally at his hands.

I am also sad that a promising young man (from what I have heard) became so radicalised.

Oh I don't know what to think but for the likes of Alan Henning's family I hope this man is now dead. And I shouldn't be speaking for the Henning family, they may not agree with the actions taken, I don't know them or what their wishes may be.

Talk to me those of you able to put an alternate point of view, am willing to be persuaded that the air strikes are wrong but at the moment I just feel glad that they have potentially kills someone who has brought so much suffering to many people throughout the world by his actions.

Did the people who were knelt down and beheaded get a trial?
It's true the barbarian could never be captured but if he were then he should recieve the same treatment as he gave others.
I hope he is dead and I hope his death was slow and excruciatingly painful.
I have no sympathy for an evil self styled executioner.
If there is a hell I hope he's there.
For once I agree with oily Dave it was the right thing to do.

Yes i hope he burned as he watched all his entrails fall out. Anyone else want to contribute? This is a battle for civilisation after all?

Less we forget this is a Pentagon story and if this person is dead, he died as a result of the U.S. attacking and degrading Syrian infrastructure, destabilising Assad and allowing ISIS to flourish. As with the recent US air attacks on a Syrian electricity-generating plant killing goodness knows how many...

I wonder if the tone of reportage would be quite so vitriolic if the Russians had killed him?

Anyhow a baddie who's name we all know is dead. Things should get better now..

batshitlady you need to change your name, you sound sensible :)

Like others I'm not comfortable with summarily executing people without trial (or indeed executing people at all).
Yes it's what this man is apparently guilty of but he was wrong on every level to do what he did. How can it be civilised to behave like him?
I don't know what else could have been done and I don't suppose we'll ever have an official explanation of the options considered and rejected. But the fact that this has now happened twice, is setting an unpleasant precedent.
And saying it's war so all's fair? We aren't 'at war' with ISIS.

It wouldn't be a good idea for the US or UK governments to capture and fairly interrogate him/put him on trial, just as it wouldn't have been a good idea for them to do so with Bin Laden. Far too much of their shite would have to come out in the process. Better keep these people as bogey men and use them as a justification for indiscriminate killing and power/resources-seeking.

YY batshit

TBh it's cases like these, the hard ones, that test your credentials, and if what you're actually saying is you don't mind that he's not been brought to trial, or you don't mind that he has effectively been executed for his crimes then you're not really liberal or anti-death penalty.

I think thats an interesting point. In my case it's more that the man was committing acts of violence against civilians in a war zone so he took the risk that he might get killed in that war zone and I don't feel the need to risk allied military personnel lives going in to try to pick one (or a few) individuals out in order to try them in court.

I do';t think its practical. I think if it was done on the basis of targetting a known ISIS leadership stronghold then I have few concerns about it (except the US record of actually managing to target combatants rather than civilians which is a fairly major concern!). If there was a conscious decision made to find and kill named individuals without trial then I am more concerned.

It may seem like a semantic point but it works for me!

The Guardian would be hanging off his every word from his jail cell, presenting him as a freedom fighter against the oppressive West. Cage and Liberty would be fighting for his freedom and classification as a Prisoner of War. I suspect if Corbyn was elected they may well be successful there too

^ This. I am glad he has gone. I dread to think how much money would have been wasted on bringing him here, the appeals and so on.

Even after WWII we had trials

yes and many nazi's were then executed.

another stand back from what exactly?

Two mins of hate to thank the americans?

Not really I hated Jihadi John from the moment I saw him cut his first poor victims throat.

I feel relief this man has been wiped off the earth and I am relieved the amercians have tracked him down and hopefully killed him.

I hope this puts some fear into these peoples hearts as they seem to think they are invincible and un touchable. I am glad they have struck at the heart of Racca and got this awful man.

TBh it's cases like these, the hard ones, that test your credentials, and if what you're actually saying is you don't mind that he's not been brought to trial, or you don't mind that he has effectively been executed for his crimes then you're not really liberal or anti-death penalty

^ agree

Another bleeding heart liberal here who's glad he's dead. Classic case of live by the sword, die by the sword. strangechild until you're officially appointed as the person who gets to define these things, you don't get to say who's liberal and who isn't. I think it would be more to posters' credit to be concerned about those people suffering directly at the hands of ISIS like the Yazidi women and many ordinary Muslims. What price our Western values if we just abandon them to ISIS rule?

"In my case it's more that the man was committing acts of violence against civilians in a war zone so he took the risk that he might get killed in that war zone and I don't feel the need to risk allied military personnel lives going in to try to pick one (or a few) individuals out in order to try them in court." this. live by the sword, die by the sword. Like Kew I am not necessarily comfortable with the idea of going in to kill one particular individual, however I equally don't feel the need to feel sorrow over his death. Equally I don't necessarily wish him suffering nor could I feel gleeful if he did, but it's possible to not delight in someone's death while feeling that their death is not a loss....

God, reading this thread I'm glad he wasn't put on trial. It seems like there would have been quite a few people prepared to declare his innocence. Someone asked about the Guardian earlier, and I do think if anybody tends to pose a general threat to the populace the Guardian tends to support them and their rights above those they may harm. I'm sure if he had been tried the Guardian, like some on here, would be saying that he was a poor misunderstood lad who had been harassed by the security services so badly he had been driven to seek a new life doing charity work in Syria, but was then captured by ISIS and then forced to do terrible things. He was brainwashed. Or that ISIS are genuinely a state so he was simply a legal state executioner, the executed were spies, it wasn't him, etc, etc, etc.

They could not have captured him anyway. That would have involved sending in soldiers, and if they had been captured what would have been done to them would have been worse than the cage drownings, or the burnings or the beheadings or crucifixions we've already seen. Jihadi John's right to a trial was not important enough to risk other people dying in that manner.

If they hadn't done it long range, the other option would have been to let him carry on beheading, torturing, murdering people in Syria. Which I believe for the Human Rights Brigade is generally the preferred option. As they always favour the rights of those doing the maiming and killing. The rest of the world is just a homogeneous rightless blob to them. They don't have any rights until ISIS decides they are the one who will be crucified and beheaded, and by then it's too late. His death protected the rights of those who are far more innocent than him.

I hope and pray that he suffered in the worst way imaginable

And that's a good question actually, to those of you who are saying he should have been tried: Would you have preferred that troops could potentially have been publicly and gruesomely tortured and murdered if it had gone wrong? Or would you have preferred he was just allowed to carry on killing people and doing horrendous things?

Also, are you opposed to any ISIS fighters being killed? Or do you just object to celebrity jihadis being killed? And if you don't think anybody in ISIS should be killed, what would you suggest is done about it?

and what if he was tried and found not guilty? There are enough on this thread alone who are suggesting that he might have been photoshopped, and another thread somewhere else suggesting that the whole isis thing is a government conspiracy. So let's say that JJ was captured, brought back here and put on trial and found not guilty. Would you be happy for him to move into your street? work at your children's school?

I can just imagine the circus of the trial. The guardianistas wringing their hands, Cage calling for his release and Shami whatever her name is saying his human rights had been breeched . It would've cost a fortune . Also imagine how many life's would've been risked trying to get to him and bring him back to face trial. Better this way. Dying in agony I hope. Justice has been served.

wanna, yes I would. it is why I likve here and support the rule of law in the UK. You are innocent until proven guilty. No one on this thread knows if JJ was killed and secondly if he was if he beheaded people. Only a court can determine it or would you believe the Duke of Edniburgh is a lizard if the press told you that often enough?

Would those posting on here be happy if a drone were sent to murder them tomorrow because the state thought they might be guilty of a crime?

Well, best we not talk about Jimmy Savile either then eh? I mean, he was innocent given that he was never proven guilty, no?

And Binladen? never proven guilty therefore whatever he stood for now becomes irrelevant now that he's dead?

And Fred west, he did away with himself in prison before he could be found guilty, now I suppose at least no-one killed him but he never stood trial.....

I hope he rots in hell.

Re being a bleeding heart liberal but being glad he's dead.

I am not glad he is dead. I would much have preferred a capture and atrial because I support our legal system however flawed.

I am glad he has been stopped.

I am glad that he will not torture anyone else and use them to spread fear and terror.

I am afraid he will become a martyr to some.

But I am overall happy that he has been stopped. He declared war on us. His death is a act of war. I am a liberal not a pacifist. It violence is at times needed to defend so be it. The death penalty is not defence it is merely retribution.

There is a huge difference.

And no I do not hope he suffered. For whatever broken reason he acted as he did I can still feel pity that he was broken.

But he had to be stopped.

YY Booyaka.

The thing RJ he is one of thousands, just that he was more known and of importance to us as he is british, I doubt he was that impressive among the many murders and rapists that make up ISIS who kill torture, rape, beat and maime all day every day. Its just that he had his pic taken a few times and went on telly.