In hoping they got that Jihadi John executioner?

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Very odd AIBU and perhaps I am being very U.

I am as woolly and bleeding heart as you get usually.

I know we set a dangerous precedent by these attacks...no jury or judge, no trial (not that they could easily get him back to hold one).

I am conflicted about how I feel but I am just thinking of Alan Henning and all those other people who went out to eithe support aid or to tell the world what was happening and who died brutally at his hands.

I am also sad that a promising young man (from what I have heard) became so radicalised.

Oh I don't know what to think but for the likes of Alan Henning's family I hope this man is now dead. And I shouldn't be speaking for the Henning family, they may not agree with the actions taken, I don't know them or what their wishes may be.

Talk to me those of you able to put an alternate point of view, am willing to be persuaded that the air strikes are wrong but at the moment I just feel glad that they have potentially kills someone who has brought so much suffering to many people throughout the world by his actions.

It's a war. So, he was killed without trial because he needed to be stopped in order to move towards peace.

Peace has been a long time coming in that region.

Am so grateful for my boring little bubble where my kids get free education, healthcare, clean water and no threat of being shot or sucked into evil regimes. So grateful.

Deo. And when would this bringing to trial occur? 1, 5,10 years? Ever?

And in the meantime how many more innocents would he have killed?

How many more young minds would he have corrupted over the Internet not forgetting g he was an IT graduate?

I hope he is as dead as his victims.

I am also normally a very liberal minded individual but he is beyond redemption.

What sort of trial? He openly revelled in his barbaric murderous ways, he committed the most atrocious acts against human beings. The world is a better place without him in it and all the others like him.

Good riddance.

I am uneasy about his killing because it was an extrajudicial killing on one level. However, he was in a war zone, attacking civilians and killed by a military force that opposed him. So, I think I've rationalised it that it was a killing of a combatant within a war and if you don't want to die in a war then don't go around attacking people.

I really really hope he died screaming in agony and that if there is a hell he's burning right now.

I really hope he's dead. I really wouldn't want to give him a platform for his psychopathic rantings in court, and a single penny spent on his defence and inevitable incarceration is a penny wasted.
Fuck him.

This whole affair makes me sick.

Mohammed Emwazi was a British Citizen, he was never convicted of any criminal offence, he has been subjected to a trial by media based on information fed to the media by secret intelligence sources that nobody is in a position to challenge or question, and now he has been summarily executed with the knowledge and involvement of the British government.

I can understand people saying that they won't lose sleep over him personally, but the precedent this case sets is frightening.

They should have put him on trial. Trials in high profile cases are difficult, but that's no excuse for avoiding them - the high profile cases are the ones where the risk of a miscarriage of justice is particularly high.

I hope there will be an inquest into Mohammed Emwazi's death in Britain.

Even after WWII we had trials. I hope we have not stooped to the level of ISIS.

He was not tried. How does anyone know on here that he wasn't photoshopped on or wasn't who they killed or whatever. That's why we have the rule of law and trials.

The best course would have been to allow the law to run its course imo. Was it better to have the Nazis on trial after WWII or would summary shootings have worked out better?

Rule of law is the best (imperfect) way we have.

That said there was no way he could be accessed as essentially it's a wartime situation.

I read a fascinating book written by an IRA member turned supergrass. In it he mentioned his trial where the judge took great pains to allow him a defence, when as they all knew the defendant in the dock would have blown up said judge given the chance.

It was part of the process of disillusionment with his fine cause.

I share many of the conflicts that have been articulated here: it sits uncomfortably that Britain might have assisted in his death, as that is not how we operate, but it is hard to feel regret he may have been killed. I am concerned it may be like Hydra, and many will rise up in his place.

DeoGratis- even if the man that died had been wrongly identified or photoshopped as Emwazi, he was still a member of ISIS in a war zone in Syria. I'm willing to bet that whoever he was, innocent he was not.

That said, two wrongs don't make a right.

That said again, I shan't be up all night crying over it either.

"Mohammed Emwazi was a British Citizen, he was never convicted of any criminal offence, he has been subjected to a trial by media based on information fed to the media by secret intelligence sources that nobody is in a position to challenge or question, and now he has been summarily executed with the knowledge and involvement of the British government." so you think he might have been innocent then? just over in Syria for his summer holiday perhaps? And that all those nasty nasty media made him into something he wasn't?

Yes, Tiivola. And let's not forget that IT WAS THE US AND UK WHO DIRECTLY FUELLED THE RISE OF ISIS. Because it was in the interests of extremely rich and powerful people to create and continue this ongoing war.

My thoughts and sympathies go to anyone and everyone who has lost their life, or who has lost family members, their livelihood or home, to this whole ongoing tragic debacle.

The media stories about this are, as ever, stories.

Suggestions that he may have been photoshopped or not guilty etc are incredibly dangerous and surely borderline incitement themselves?

It's one thing to suggest that the best course of action would have been to capture him and put him on trial, quite another that he was somehow an innocent victim of the media. Killing him may not have been the ideal outcome, but innocent he most certainly was not. And the fact that within the space of around 30 posts there are already two suggestions that this might all be a conspiracy is another reason why the thought of him going on trial is a scary prospect, if there were jura's who might share this view.....

Re the UK and US ISIS having "directly fuelled the rise of ISIS."

Wahhabist ideology has got nothing to do with it then?

We are currently being manipulated into one of the many Orwellian "2 minutes of hate" we are exposed to, and encouraged to thank the wonderful Americans for protecting us against the baddies. Let's try to stand back a little from this.

Yes but there's a danger of believing the claptrap from other quarters.

Ena, I think it's extremely complicated, and I'm not saying there were not also other influences.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq

Indeed, Ena. But I think trying to stay non-sensationalist about what we are told is a good start.

But you are sure that it's mostly the UK and US..
Take the plank out of your eye.

I wouldn't necessarily say "mostly", Ena. I think the UK and US played a large part, though, and that their aiding these sets of "enemies" to "war" against is a large element of what we are seeing now.

Plank?

Not exactly presenting an alternative viewpoint, but there are some really large issues with the way that technology is moving at a faster pace than our understanding of ethical warfare is evolving.

Extrajudicial attacks are easy to get behind when it takes out an identifiable "monster" like in the case, but the overall trend is more worrying. Look at the amount of collateral damage caused by US & UK drone strikes in the last 5 years. Civilians, wrongly identified targets that turned out to be schools, hospitals or even something mundane like a cornershop but is someone's living destroyed. It's not surprising that such mistakes also act as recruitment campaigns for ISIS.

People sneer at the concept of the human rights brigade, but slowing down and considering the morality of what we're doing is what ensures we stay civilised instead of sinking to the level of the people we're fighting.

Now as a disclaimer I'll probably end up voting for Jeremy Corbyn-led LaBOUR pARTY.

But Google mentions that the author of that article is Jc's Press officer!

Personally I find JC and his close associates have an odd take on world affairs.