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to think that this 'transsexual' Jesus play should not get public funding?

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whatwilltheythinkofnext · 12/11/2015 16:07

I would say 'no words' but how about "disgusting, insulting, disrespectful, immoral..." need I go on? How does this awful thing get 'public funding' - I'd be demanding a refund of my council tax. Enough already!

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merrymouse · 13/11/2015 22:54

And the OP does not need to defend Christ or Christianity. Nobody has objected to the OP being a Christian.

BrendaFlange · 13/11/2015 22:54

You see, the very fact that it matters to you whether there is evidence in the bible of the exact nature of the relationship between MM and JC roots you in rules about what can and cannot be discussed.

There could be a whole play exploring a fictional scenario between MM and JC - why would that be offensive or not allowed in a play?

FabergeEggs · 13/11/2015 22:57

What, exactly, is my 'idea of Christianity', Merrymouse? Please do me the courtesy of being succinct in your answer.

BrendaFlange · 13/11/2015 22:58

"Christ portrayed as a vegan anti-vivisectionist; Christ as a hairdresser called Jesse; Jesus as an AIDS victim"

You could be a playwright, Faberge!

The point might be to see whether our understanding of Christian value are altered if we have a different view. The pictures we get of JC are fictional - even the ones on the bible. I am 100% certain he looked nothing like the Christ that was depicted in my childhood bible. All fiction, interpretation and all giving us a different perceived imaginative idea of JC.

FabergeEggs · 13/11/2015 23:02

And the OP does not need to defend Christ or Christianity. Nobody has objected to the OP being a Christian.

The play alludes to Christ the Son of God as having suffered mental illness in the form of dysmorphia. I think there's plenty to be defensive about there.

merrymouse · 13/11/2015 23:04

I have no idea, but I am certain that it won't agree with those of all other Christians. I am sure that there are Christians who support this play. ( I think some have contributed to this thread). You might not call them Christians but you don't get to decide who is and isn't a Christian.

FabergeEggs · 13/11/2015 23:07

Who actually cares what Jesus of Nazareth looked like? Of course he wouldn't have had blue eyes and fair skin, it doesn't take a genius to know that. But who actually cares? Why the need to mould the Son of God into an ordinary human being with sexual/political agendas? It's blasphemy.

How on Earth do Christian values become altered by watching a play that suggests Christ was transsexual. We already know He loved the world (because, like, you know...He died for everyone, not just white middle-class Western heterosexuals) and that He died for all our sins. How is this play going to illuminate Jesus' message of love more successfully than His death on the cross??

Shallishanti · 13/11/2015 23:09

I'd like to know where in the bible it alludes to Jesus being heterosexual

FabergeEggs · 13/11/2015 23:11

I have no idea, but I am certain that it won't agree with those of all other Christians

So you have 'no idea' what 'my idea of Christianity' is. But you 'know' it's different to everybody else's. You are 'sure' that there are Christians who will like this play. But you're not sure what any Christian's 'idea of Christianity' is, are you?

Good night, Merrymouse. I think you and I are done here.

BrendaFlange · 13/11/2015 23:13

"The play alludes to Christ the Son of God as having suffered mental illness in the form of dysmorphia. I think there's plenty to be defensive about there."
Or you could just say 'what rubbish' and roll your eyes.

We don't know that he didn't have dysmorphia of any kind, do we? We don't know much about his favourite foods, his mood or sense of humour...and surely many things in the bible must have been lost, changed or added to over the years. Half the new testament wasn't written until 300 years after his death.

merrymouse · 13/11/2015 23:15

Who actually cares what Jesus of Nazareth looked like?

you, apparently.

It's blasphemy

Again, blasphemy legal.

How on Earth do Christian values become altered by watching a play that suggests Christ was transsexual.

again, you tell me.

FabergeEggs · 13/11/2015 23:15

I'd like to know where in the bible it alludes to Jesus being heterosexual

His sexuality isn't talked about at all. It's not important. Neither was their discussion about his favourite season or His views on whether or not animals have souls. Furthermore, there is no mention of His opinions on quantum physics. That is because it wasn't important. What is important is that He died for mankind so all could be saved from sin.

merrymouse · 13/11/2015 23:18

So you have 'no idea' what 'my idea of Christianity' is. But you 'know' it's different to everybody else's. You are 'sure' that there are Christians who will like this play. But you're not sure what any Christian's 'idea of Christianity' is, are you?

It's as though 1000's of years of religious disagreement have completely passed you by.

I know at least one Christian likes the play - the one who wrote it.

outofpaper · 13/11/2015 23:19

Who actually cares what Jesus of Nazareth looked like? Of course he wouldn't have had blue eyes and fair skin, it doesn't take a genius to know that. But who actually cares? Why the need to mould the Son of God into an ordinary human being with sexual/political agendas? It's blasphemy.
How on Earth do Christian values become altered by watching a play that suggests Christ was transsexual. We already know He loved the world (because, like, you know...He died for everyone, not just white middle-class Western heterosexuals) and that He died for all our sins. How is this play going to illuminate Jesus' message of love more successfully than His death on the cross??

Here here

FabergeEggs · 13/11/2015 23:19

How on Earth do Christian values become altered by watching a play that suggests Christ was transsexual.

again, you tell me.

I was addressing Brenda so why should I tell you?

Again, blasphemy legal.

We are talking about offence taken, not what is or is not lawful.

And nowhere have I said that it matters to me what physical facial features Jesus had. Again, Merrymouse, and with the kindest intention, I think you and I are done here.

FabergeEggs · 13/11/2015 23:21

We don't know that he didn't have dysmorphia of any kind, do we?

Yes, if you believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that he was perfect and without sin, then it is exceedingly easy to accept that He was not suffering from any measure of mental illness, delusion or confusion Smile

merrymouse · 13/11/2015 23:24

Again, Merrymouse, and with the kindest intention, I think you and I are done here.

Except With the power of free speech and an Internet connection I can continue to comment on your posts.

merrymouse · 13/11/2015 23:28

We are talking about offence taken, not what is or is not lawful

Except the OP wasn't just about offence, it was about withdrawal of public funding.

FabergeEggs · 13/11/2015 23:29

...and, before I go to bed, this: I know at least one Christian likes the play - the one who wrote it.

(sigh) Not everyone who says they are a Christian is a Christian. Do you know anything of Judas Iscariot? He claimed to love Jesus; he gave up His livelihood to follow Him and worshipped Him. Do you remember what Judas ended up doing to his 'beloved Master'; his best friend; his Lord? He sold Him for thirty pieces of silver; he betrayed Him and delivered Him into the hands of the Roman soldiers who would kill Him.

Good night, all.

merrymouse · 13/11/2015 23:32

Not everyone who says they are a Christian is a Christian.

And there we go - back to centuries of people arguing over who is a proper Christian. (Sigh)

Shallishanti · 13/11/2015 23:39

I can well imagine a christian might believe it didn't matter if Jesus was white/black/heterosexual/gay/male/female.....
except that some christians seem to think it's very important that he was male and heterosexual
makes me suspect they secretly would like to insist he was white too if it didn't sound so ridiculous

BrendaFlange · 13/11/2015 23:48

"Yes, if you believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that he was perfect and without sin, then it is exceedingly easy to accept that He was not suffering from any measure of mental illness, delusion or confusion"

So, if being trans is just another way to be, and included in 'perfect' - he might have been! Unless Christians believe that being trans is imperfect..... which is a loop in the discussion we have travelled round before.

It doesn't matter - how does this play, this fictional conjecture, actually harm you? Or actually harm God? (for those who believe, obv).

ApricotSorbet99 · 13/11/2015 23:51

FFS.

Anyone who wants to live in a country where mockery of religion is not tolerated is quite welcome to bugger off to Saudi or Iran. Lots of like minded people there.

I live in hope that one day it will dawn on the mouthy majority of this site that all of those freedoms that you take for granted here exist BECAUSE of a fundamental moral, ethical and legal right to mock whatever the fuck we like.

If you don't like having Jesus/Mohammed/Lord Vishnu whatever mocked, that's your fucking tough shit. Grow up and stop whining.

Dawndonnaagain · 13/11/2015 23:55

There was a man called Jesus. He didn't die on the cross, he went of with Mary magdalen and in all probability had a family with her.

ApricotSorbet99 · 14/11/2015 01:52

There was a man called Jesus

No evidence for this.