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To expect that grandparents should be included in Christmas?

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Mishaps · 10/11/2015 15:59

If you take yourself on to Gransnet you will find a thread that will illustrate to everyone here how deeply hurt some grandparents are at not being included in the family Christmas. There are women there who have been the lynchpin in creating wonderful family Christmases for their children over decades and who will be on their own on the day.

I know that some families have rifts in them and not all parents make a good job of their role, but might this not be a time to heal some wounds and act out of kindness?

Lots of grandparents say they do not mind being left out, but please bear in mind that sometimes they just do not want to admit out loud how hurt and lonely they feel.

There will be many grandparents for whom a lonely Christmas day will bring tears.

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LaLyra · 11/11/2015 14:52

It's fine for children to do whatever they wish - I am not judging, but just saying that there was a post on Gransnet which was full of sadness about this issue and wondered whether the folks on here were aware how deeply some grans feel about it. I do not think that I would have been aware when a mother bringing up my children - I was too busy chasing my tail with them all. It is fine hygge for anyone to do whatever they wish - I just initiated a discussion about the other side of the coin.

You are judging.

please bear in mind that sometimes they just do not want to admit out loud how hurt and lonely they feel.

Assumes that people who don't have their parents/grandparents around haven't considered it. Indeed, haven't' agonised over decisions many, many times over.

My father would have LOVED a gransnet type place. He had endless amounts of people feeling heart sorry for him. To the point that a NURSE from a hospice got involved in the "Make Lyra visit her poor dying father" campaign that I endured.

He would tell you about the Christmases he took his kids to the funfair. He'd tell them about the presents under the tree and the family meals around the table. He'd talk about the gifts that had been bought and how nice it was and how much he missed it. He'd also talk, sounding very genuine, about the time my sibling burnt themselves on the iron being careless and how he lose his temper a bit through fear and smacked them "a wee bit harder than he should". But he'd labour the point about how scared he was, because my sibling was so careless and he was terrified they'd get hurt... Then he'd be really sad when he talked about his evil in-laws. Swooping in like he was a monster. Over-reacting and stealing his children. He'd talk about going round to their house to try and take his children back and the children screaming and crying in fear at the arguments and how he left it "for a few weeks" expecting it to calm down and them to see sense, but then that was seen as an admission of guilt and the children were poisoned against him...

He missed out a lot though. Like the fact he took us to the funfair, HE went on lots of rides and we had to watch. If we'd been better kids we'd have got a turn but we weren't. The presents under the tree were gifts we got and were promised we could keep, but never mentioned the fact that by February they were always sold for drink or drug money. Or smashed in a temper. Or how my sibling got the iron burn from him, hitting them with the iron. Or that the screams at my grandparents were because we were terrified of him hurting my grandfather, or being able to make us go back.

And for the record I got on amazingly with my wonderful grandparents, I am very close to my MIL, and my husband was widowed when we met and I am also very close to the lady who calls herself my "other" MIL (his late wife's mother). So despite the best efforts of the people who saw no fault in themselves the problem wasn't with me.

I know that some families have rifts in them and not all parents make a good job of their role, but might this not be a time to heal some wounds and act out of kindness?

So no. Christmas isn't a time to heal some wounds and act of out kindness, because some people, including I bet some people on Gransnet with sob stories, simply don't deserve it.

AlmaMartyr · 11/11/2015 14:54

My ILs moan to all and sundry about how excluded they are from our lives. They live 5 miles away, have the DCs (entirely by their own choice) at least once a week, see us regularly and are always invited to family events, including Christmas morning. It's not enough. It never will be enough. MIL has actually said that she wants is the DCs around after school every day and then at least one full day every weekend. Plus regular holidays.

We get on OK with then after some horrendous times in the past and we get on very well with my parents.

It's so difficult to know all the ins and outs of a relationship. My Mum had a very lovely friend that used to moan about her DIL. I loved my Mum's friend but also knew the story from the DIL (and the son's!) point of view and really, there wasn't much to moan about.

spanky2 · 11/11/2015 15:01

My mum and dad have mental health problems which they won't accept or do anything about. They severely abused me as a child and had started abusing my dcs. It has broken my heart not to see them especially at Christmas . I wish I had parents who loved me and my dcs. But what else can I do? My dcs need protecting from them and I wish someone had noticed that I needed protecting too. It is very easy to judge unless you have been abused. It's easy to say oh my dil is such a cow not letting me see my dgcs when you know nothing about why.

RhodaBull · 11/11/2015 15:06

Otoh I know a lady who was widowed and at her ds's suggestion moved quite a way to live near him and his family. Sadly for her dil's family were "fun" and did Christmases, birthdays, holidays and so on, and son's mother was never invited. And they didn't want to visit an old lady in a small flat as opposed to younger gps in a big house. The last straw was when she bumped into her dil and a friend in the town and she saw the dil eye-rolling. She knew not to bother them after that.

Now, this lady may be a secret sociopath, but she seems to me a perfectly ordinary, if elderly, lady to me.

Lostcat2 · 11/11/2015 15:06

You reap and you sow the concequences.

kungfupannda · 11/11/2015 16:13

Given the huge expectations heaped upon Christmas, and the 'but they're faaaaaamily' type judgements levelled at those who aren't deemed to be sufficiently full of the festive spirit, I would strongly suspect that more people choose not to invite parents/PILs for good and valid reasons than for selfish ones.

We get on brilliantly with DP's parents. We see a lot of them and will be spending Christmas Day and Boxing Day with them, as we do every year. My father, on the other hand, will be the recipient of a courtesy phone call, and I strongly suspect he won't be telling anyone the reason why he isn't invited to either of his children's homes for Christmas. He's apparently highly-regarded by his friends, the life and soul of any social occasion, and they probably think I'm an ungrateful, callous cow. They'd no doubt think the same of my brother if they knew he even existed.

Funnily enough he hasn't kept anyone in his life who knows that he abandoned two children from two marriages after their respective mothers died. The first one never laid eyes on him again. The second one (me) had the 'benefit' of his sporadic attention for a few months, and then went 20 years without contact. I've had a couple of friends over the years who've attempted to persuade me that he was so traumatised by the loss of two wives that he just had to give up his children. That might hold some water if he hadn't been a complete cunt to both women when they were alive, or if he'd made any attempt to retain some sort of relationship with his children.

We now have limited contact, on my terms, solely so that there's some sort of relationship between my DCs and their grandfather. He's a reasonable, if distant, grandfather, but personally I can take him or leave him. If he cut contact tomorrow I'd shrug and never give it another thought.

I don't know what he's doing for Christmas. It's not my concern. If he wanted it to be my concern then he should have made it his concern what his I was doing for Christmas when I was young and could have done with having him around.

HelenaDove · 11/11/2015 17:20

I've had a couple of friends over the years who've attempted to persuade me that he was so traumatised by the loss of two wives that he just had to give up his children.

I bet they wouldnt be saying this if it was your mum and not your dad.

CookieDoughKid · 11/11/2015 19:37

HyggeFlowersWine God they sound truly awful. May peace be with you this Christmas. Forget about them they are as good as dead to you IMO

JugglingFromHereToThere · 11/11/2015 19:54

About the "you reap what you sow" comments
There can be an element of that but sometimes life and Christmas are shit for fairly random reasons, like illness and someone not being there who should be.
And when that's the case families get through it as well as they can with generally as much seasonal good-will as they can find

kungfupannda · 11/11/2015 20:01

I bet they wouldnt be saying this if it was your mum and not your dad.

You're right, they'd have been horrified. One of them just wouldn't let it lie. She was adamant that there was some perfectly valid reason for his behaviour, and we had a right set-to when she refused to concede the point that I probably knew him slightly better than she did, given that she'd never laid eyes on the man and only met me after he'd been absent from my life for several years. Apparently I was 'too close to the situation' to see it clearly.

Actually, I think 400 miles from the situation was about the right distance. I still think it is!

Funnily enough we stopped being friends not long afterwards.

HelenaDove · 11/11/2015 20:09

It never ceases to amaze me the excuses made for mens behaviour.

MorrisZapp · 11/11/2015 20:13

Oh hurrah, another thread telling women to work even harder at Christmas.

MummyPig24 · 11/11/2015 20:17

I would like my children's grandparents to spend christmas with us. In laws have declined our invitation. They would rather stay at home with the dogs and have a drink. My dad is an alcoholic who is frankly at deaths door.

I will never impose myself on my children and their families, or expect them to include me, but I hope that I can be a better grandparents than theirs have been.

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