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AIBU to report this little fucker to the police?

138 replies

Londonista123 · 04/11/2015 08:47

Sorry - long but genuine dilemma.

My flat and car were egged on Halloween (in vast quantities, if it matters). I was miffed but put it down to not answering the door to T'or'T'ers - until I realised that my flat and car were the only ones targeted in my building of 20+ flats. Car and flat are not next to each other.

After some thought, I put it down to a particular kid in my building. We've had a few run-ins before this:

  • A few months ago I accidentally photographed him while documenting something untoward that's happening around the building, that I photograph and send to the council to report (excuse the vagueness, but think fly tipping / antisocial behaviour or similar). His angry mum knocked on the door a few minutes later and, when I didn't answer, left me an illiterate note asking me to stop photographing her son / show her the photo. I was reluctant to talk to her because I don't know who was involved in the thing I was actually photographing, and didn't want to mention it to her.

She caught me in my car a few weeks later (son was with her), asked me why I was photographing her son, none too politely, and I explained that I was photographing something else. She may now think I'm a paedophile for all I know.

(I also wanted to scream that I am free to photograph whatever the hell I want in public, but never mind.)

  • On another occasion recently the son was making a serious racket directly outside my door (rollerskating up and down, shouting loudly downstairs to his mate). I went out and asked him to stop, which he did. I think he's around 12/13 y.o.

I really don't know most other neighbours here, certainly none with kids, and don't know who else could match me with the car, and would particularly want to egg my house.

I put a posted, anonymous note through their flat door to the effect that I'd reported their kid to the police for his Halloween "joke", and he was welcome to come by and apologise if they wanted me to withdraw the complaint. I was hoping a) his mum would give him a bollocking, since I doubt she knew and b) to frighten the hell out of him.

Got home to another note through door: I think you sent me a note [...] you say my son did a Halloween JOKE [...] go ahead and report him to the police if you think it was him [...] but report yourself at the time time for photographing my son.

I'm now even more certain it was him, and angry because the response I expected was to have the son say sorry, not an aggressive note from his mum.

So... do I now actually go to the police about what is technically "criminal damage"? I feel that the local police (like police everywhere) have much, much bigger fish to fry, and frankly I'd be embarrassed to ring up. I also think he's unlikely to do this to me again since he's now been caught.

AIBU to report this, and have the police round to "chat" about not egging houses?

OTOH - I'm angry. If this was my son, he'd be cleaning up the mess and writing an apologetic letter, whereas his mum's note seems to think she believes his behaviour is justified.

OP posts:
IKnowIAmButWhatAreYou · 04/11/2015 09:38

morally you should have deleted the pic.

MN do like a fuss over a picture don't they!

There's nothing "morally wrong" about taking a photo of something for evidence - it may not be convenient or possible to wait until no-one is present.

I'd pass the photo to whoever you were going to OP and then tell the parents of the cunt angel that it's gone - not that it's any of their business!

They sound like the sort of people that'll keep this going forever and escalate in all sorts of petty ways.

Good Luck.....

multivac · 04/11/2015 09:40

"Fortunately, in 2015, you would not be 'laughed out of the station'"

That's true. They'd wait until you'd left - PR advice is much better these days.

And of course victims of antisocial behaviour are not 'required to provide proof.' Police officers are, though, if they are going to take any action.

Birdsgottafly · 04/11/2015 09:41

""The thing I was photographing is fairly serious and if this family is involved I'd rather they not know I was reporting it.""

Why aren't you just involving the Police, rather than go all undercover vigilante? Or are the Police ignoring the reports, so you were going to go to your MP?

If people were taking pictures on my estate and getting the kids in them, they would be moved out, if the Police didn't take the parents concerns, seriously.

Your going to have to consider how your behaviour is coming across.

SoupDragon · 04/11/2015 09:41

you took photo of child... they dont like it

No, she didn't take a photo of the child. She took a photo of an area in which the child happened to be.

Toughasoldboots · 04/11/2015 09:41

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WhereTheFuckIsMyFuckingCoat · 04/11/2015 09:44

Wow, I'm glad none of my colleagues think how you do - it's got nothing to do with pr and more to do with taking the job seriously and assisting members of the public who have been subject to criminal activity.

And if the boy has a list of charges/complaints the length of his arm (which is not uncommon), then the OP's report could be particularly useful.

Londonista123 · 04/11/2015 09:44

Thanks toughasoldboots.

Mrsjayy - it's really not a "social" building. Some of the council tenants who have been here for decades chat and hang out, but particularly among the leaseholders there isn't a community as such. My ndn and I take in parcels for each other and say hello, but there isn't much community spirit.

If I thought I could speak to her rationally about the photo, I would have, but she doesn't come across that way.

The roller-skating point is neither here nor there; I'm obviously not suggesting it's a reason to call the police, just a reason why he may dislike me and want to egg my door.

OP posts:
cleoteacher · 04/11/2015 09:45

I got told to put my camera away by a lifeguard at a swimming pool as I wasn't allowed to take a photo of my son during a swimming session. So you can only photograph children in some public places it seems.

Op BU I would have been annoyed if it was a picture of my son and want an explanation. You should have deleted the photo when she asked you to. You have started the argument by not doing that. You have absolutely no proof it was this boy so you should leave it. I am not surprised his mum is getting irate with you, you are accusing her son of doing something which he may not have done.

If you were at the cinema and so couldn't have seen or heard anything it could have been anyone. Can you get access to cctv?

plantsitter · 04/11/2015 09:46

I don't understand why you sent an anonymous note. Even if it wasn't blatantly obvious who sent it you haven't strengthened your position there have you? I don't know if I'd report a Halloween egging but I would make a note of it and log any other behaviour so you can take that to the police if necessary.

For the sake of neighbourly peace I would leave it for now but report if further stuff happens and you feel you're being targeted.

WhereTheFuckIsMyFuckingCoat · 04/11/2015 09:51

Birdsgottafly, what did you mean by:

"If people were taking pictures on my estate and getting the kids in them, they would be moved out, if the Police didn't take the parents concerns, seriously."

Sorry, if I'm being dim.

Londonista123 · 04/11/2015 09:51

birds - the thing I was photographing is being dealt with by the council, rather than the police. I send them photos as and when at their request - they need to see the "thing". It's not undercover, just me taking a photo from my balcony.

I can't be moved on as I'm a leaseholder, not a tenant.

cleo - we were at home for the actual egging, noticed it when we headed out. Not that it helps with evidence.

It's looking like "leave it" and/or let the community police know for record-keeping purposes. Thanks all.

OP posts:
multivac · 04/11/2015 09:53

"And if the boy has a list of charges/complaints the length of his arm (which is not uncommon), then the OP's report could be particularly useful."

Interesting. You know the child is a member of the public too, right?

space0bongo · 04/11/2015 09:54

To be honest it 'reads' like the OP has been victimising/bullying this family and now that they're fighting back she can't take it. My advice would be just to leave well alone.

RhiWrites · 04/11/2015 09:55

Is the antisocial behaviour graffiti and you suspect the kid of being the artist?

WhereTheFuckIsMyFuckingCoat · 04/11/2015 09:56

Of course, multivac, and if he's a law abiding, well behaved little cherub who didn't egg the op's car or house, then he's got nowt to worry about.

WhereTheFuckIsMyFuckingCoat · 04/11/2015 09:58

space, where did you read into it that the op was bullying the mother and child? I honestly don't see that at all.

whois · 04/11/2015 09:58

She wasn't photographing the kid for fucks sake!!!

All the 'I'd be seriously kissed off if you were taking photos of my son' comments are batshit. How many random photos do you think your children are in the background of already? Other people holiday shots, people taking photos of the ducks in the park etc

Londonista123 · 04/11/2015 09:58

RhiWrites - no, and I don't have any reason to suspect the kid himself is involved in the activity I was photographing - he was just there.

OP posts:
Owllady · 04/11/2015 10:00

If I was you, I'd suck it up, apologise for taking a photograph of the son, keep a low profile and hopefully it will all blow over.

Birdsgottafly · 04/11/2015 10:01

"""If people were taking pictures on my estate and getting the kids in them, they would be moved out, if the Police didn't take the parents concerns, seriously."""

It would start with egging and go on to car/Windows etc being broken.

That's based on a Parent trying to get an explanation from the person photographing their child and they did what the OP did.

OP perhaps go to the Police, so that a community liaison officer can help you to sort this out.

But, you need to except that this has two sides to it.

multivac · 04/11/2015 10:02

Okeydokey, Dixon WheretheF

WhereTheFuckIsMyFuckingCoat · 04/11/2015 10:03

Exactly, whois! And anyway, presuming that neither the boy nor the mother had actually seen the OP's picture, neither could possibly know if he was actually in the shot, or just outside it, and to me came across as unnecessarily aggressive.

Birdsgottafly · 04/11/2015 10:04

Whois, out and about is different, but I don't know anyone who wouldn't want an explanation as to why a neighbour is taking pictures of their child, especially who refused to give a reason.

Toughasoldboots · 04/11/2015 10:04

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ghostspirit · 04/11/2015 10:06

im just thinking: there is all the stuff in ops post between op and neighbour there is probably bad feelings/couple things have happend between neighbour and op.. so if anything comes of this 'thing' and the boy is involved and it comes back to him then. that might cause even more bad feelings....

i might be shot for this but round here no one grasses. not for graffiti or general fly tipping. its known that the council collect fly tipping things every monday so no one grasses.

but if there really is something that needs reporting. then round here you keep quite about it. if my property/car got egged i would not say a word. if there were things happening here and there i would keep quite. that way if i did report anything. why would it have been me... i have not had any problems with anyone in the past i have not made any complaints

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