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To not tell friend why she hasn't been invited to my party?

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VenusInFauxFurs · 29/10/2015 17:19

Earlier this year, in April, I went to a friend's band's gig with some friends. Friends were two couples - I know the first couple pretty well and the other was a friend I've known from school but not been particularly close to and her husband who I have only met on a handful of occasions. (Let's call this second couple Sarah and Dave.) My then eighteen year old daughter and her boyfriend also came.

A couple of days after the event, my daughter rang me to tell me that she thought that Dave had been acting in a sleazy way towards her. The dancefloor had been completely jampacked but dd thought that Dave had been trying to manoeuvre his way so that he was dancing way too close to her in a way she wasn't comfortable with. And that his whole attitude had been kind of sleazy. She had mentioned it to her boyfriend the next day but then had put it out of her head because there was nothing definite she could put her finger on and she had been quite drunk so thought she might have misinterpreted.

However, after the event she received several friend requests from Dave via social media. That's when she rang me to say "Is this weird?" and told me about Dave's behaviour on the gig night. I agreed that it was totally bloody weird and inappropriate and wrong. She decided she would just ignore/block the friend requests and would let me know if he tried to contact her again which he hasn't.

I haven't seen Sarah and Dave since then. (I didn't go to a gig a few months ago when I realised that Sarah and Dave would be the only people I knew there.)

I have spoken to a couple of mutual friends about it. The first was outraged on dd's behalf, the second (part of the other couple from the gig) kind of tried to minimise it. I don't know if it is relevant but Dave is quite a bit younger than his wife - still closer in age to me than my daughter but probably not that much in it.

I did wonder if I should contact Sarah to let her know but have taken the coward's way out and not done anything.

The thing is, I have a party this weekend which I hold every year. Sarah and Dave have come for the last 4 years or so. I haven't invited them this year. I have no problem with Sarah but I definitely do not want to invite Dave into my house.

I totally believe my dd when she thought that Dave was acting inappropriately. Women know when they're being sleazed over. He was probably drunk too, but the whole thing kind of horrifies me. Not only was his wife and dd's boyfriend (and mother!) there, I think my friends and their partners should be like aunties and uncles to my daughter. She has plenty of people on hitting on her in pubs and clubs. When she's out with her mum's friends she should be safe from that sort of thing.

Should I have let Sarah know about this? Should I email her to let her know why she's not been invited? Other people at the party might well ask whether they're coming or mention it to her (they've shared lifts with other friends in previous years). Pictures will probably go up on FB after the event. If other people ask, I don't want to be all "because I don't like Dave" and start gossiping about them, particularly if Sarah has no idea. Maybe she knows her husband in sleazy when drunk, maybe it was a one-off. I assume, without any other kind of evidence, most wives would dismiss this.

Am I being a terrible coward about this whole thing, basically? I'm basically ignoring it. AIBU to do so?

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ohtheholidays · 29/10/2015 22:10

No idea what you can do OP but I have been in a very similar situation.

Myself and BF organized a night out,it was ment to be us girls only and we'd invited a hanful of other friends most we'd known nearly all our lifes,one friend we'd known since secondary school,she invited her soon to be husband and he was a pain in the arse.

He spent most of the night making lewd comments towards nearly all of us,tried to dance right up against me and even grabbed my arse,all in front of our friend his OH.She just laughed it off,he's the whole reason I didn't attend they're wedding and the same for my BF we both had to come up with exscuses.

Sadly because she'd have to take him when she was meeting up with any of us(not her choice the arsehole tells her he's coming with her)we don't really see her anymore.I'm dreading them being invited to my BF's wedding,I'm her matron of honor and I just know her husband is such an idiot that he'll try it on again and I might be able to hold one man back from dealing with him but my DH and all 5 of our DC will be there and I know if he tried anything he'd have my DH and 2 oldest DS's 19 and 17 after him.

cheekyfunkymonkey · 29/10/2015 22:23

It doesn't matter if DD is 28 or 48, she told OP she was uncomfortable, so that is reason enough not to invite Dave. No reason to explain to Sarah, it doesn't sound like you are that close. If he is a sleaze, she'll find out soon enough. A sililar thong happened to my dsis at our wedding. A friends dp was inappropriate them after tried to friend her on fb. She ignored, I said nothing, and they split up anyway a few months later. Support your daughter

Madeyemoodysmum · 29/10/2015 22:36

My uncle is a sleaze to the point I will no longer attend family parties he is at.
I sympathise op!

Please update with what happens.

ILiveAtTheBeach · 29/10/2015 22:48

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cailindana · 29/10/2015 22:57

I agree with Beach. It's far more important that you protect the marriage of someone you hardly know than that you listen to your own daughter. It doesn't matter if she felt uncomfortable and you know it's likely she's telling the truth, beach knows better. All teenagers are idiots and a man's marriage is worth far more than the feelings of someone you love.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 29/10/2015 23:03

yes of course she was being dramatic hey why not just say hysterical because women/girls so often are

all he wanted to do was dance with a pretty young lady and no doubt his several fb friend requests were just to chat about common interests

ILiveAtTheBeach · 29/10/2015 23:12

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cailindana · 29/10/2015 23:14

If you actually read what the OP said beach, you will see that they are acquaintances, not friends.

VenusInFauxFurs · 29/10/2015 23:19

OMFG. 18 year olds are children! They haven't got a fucking clue. I have two at this age and they are dramatic as fuck. So he danced near her at a club. Ooh, call the police. I am betting she's your oldest and you just don't get yet that they enjoy the drama.

Goodness, ILiveAtTheBeach, you're all kinds of an arsehole, aren't you?

  1. Eighteen year olds CLEARLY aren't children. And you know what, if my daughter had had the same conversation with me when she was fourteen, I would have taken her equally as seriously.
  1. They haven't got a fucking clue? Nice. My daughter has all kinds of fucking clues. She's a very intelligent, switched-on young woman.
  1. You have two at this age? The poor things. Nice to know that you happy to dismiss them as hysterical. Bet they feel confident opening up to you about things that have disturbed them.
  1. Obviously I didn't call the fucking the police. If I thought his behaviour had broken the law, I would have contacted the police at the time. I wouldn't be havering over the social niceties of the situation 6 months later.
  1. Yes she's my oldest. She's my only child, in fact. Somehow, I can't imagine that even if I had a dozen daughters, I'd be dismissing the youngest one's concerns in a similar situation.
  1. "They just enjoy the drama". Women, eh? With all our dramatics and saying "no" when we really mean "yes"? What are we like, eh?

I have no idea why I'm even engaging with you, actually. I do hope you are an imaginary character and not an actual parent of teens.

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ImperialBlether · 29/10/2015 23:29

Beach, what would you say about the continued friend request on social media? Would you say that's normal behaviour, too?

MillionToOneChances · 29/10/2015 23:36

I would totally trust your daughter's instincts, but I do think I'd have a quiet word with Sarah and just say you've been putting off the conversation because it's a bit awkward, but he made your daughter feel very uncomfortable dancing up against her and trying to befriend her on social media and so you've decided not to have him in her home.

You could even apologise for not having spoken to her in time to give her the option to come without him - who knows, perhaps this is the straw that breaks the camel's back and she's witnessed similar sleazy behaviour in the past and might want out.

Baconyum · 30/10/2015 02:41

Iliveatthebeach attitudes like that are partly to blame for why women especially young women constantly still have to defend and justify their reactions when men behave at best inappropriately at worst violently. Op’s dd has done nothing wrong. It's very much victim blaming and abhorrent to me particularly as a survivor of abuse!

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And there were several friend requests not just one.

“Why is it that women are put under pressure to ignore uncomfortable feelings and be nice.” Because we live in a male dominated society.

If ‘dave’ can behave like that when the girl's mother, boyfriend and boyfriend's mother are there I dread to think how he'd behave if he got her alone!

“I am not inviting Dave again to my house, because of his inappropriate behaviour with my daughter. Let me know if you would like me to invite you to things on your own.” Agree with this as a text or statement to Sarah. But frankly in your position I'd be having a serious word with ‘dave’ creep!

FishWithABicycle · 30/10/2015 04:44

It's not the behaviour at the gig itself that is the issue - that could have been an overdramatic misunderstanding. It's the creepy stalkerish behaviour on social media afterwards that makes it clear that the behaviour at the gig was no misunderstanding.

LeaveMyWingsBehindMe · 30/10/2015 05:02

I do think it's entirely possible that your DD overreacted a bit to what Dave did, and has convinced herself that there was something more sinister and seedy to it than there was.

But the fact that he wanted to befriend her on FB afterwards does not work in his favour, really. So let's give her the benefit of the doubt.

I think you go ahead with the party and say nothing to Sarah at this stage. I think that YOU keep the details/photos off social media (at least on your on accounts) so that Sarah doesn't have her nose rubbed in it by you.

Set you profile so that if people tag you mentioning the party it will not go straight onto your wall or be shared onto her newsfeed.

If she finds out about it through other people's posts and photos then there's nothing you can do about that.

She's likely to just say nothing, but maybe feel hurt and let the friendship slide. But if she does approach you and ask why she wasn't invited I would just tell her the truth in as gentle a way as possible. But don't be tempted to over-egg it, you really don't know the exact truth about what her DH did or didn't do, only that your DD felt that he was inappropriately flirty and she felt uncomfortable in his presence. That is all you need to say.

Doraydiego · 30/10/2015 05:23

Invite or don't invite who you want. Complete non-issue.
Your DD does sound a little over dramatic though, why is she even giving it headspace?

LyndaNotLinda · 30/10/2015 05:37

Women should just put up and shut up, eh? Hmm

OP - I think I'd just leave it. I wouldn't be surprised if Sarah's well aware of what Dave is like and just ignores it.

LeaveMyWingsBehindMe · 30/10/2015 05:38

Fuck knows what I'd do if S&D turned up with other guests. I can't imagine having a confrontation. I am so not given to Eastenders-style confrontations. If dd wasn't there, I'd probably let them in, avoid talking to Dave all night and then phone dd the next morning to tell her how weak and pathetic I was.

To be honest, at this stage I'd think you were a bit of a loon if you allowed it to escalate into a confrontation anyway. It's unlikely they'd just turn up uninvited, surely? But if it was for whatever reason, unavoidable or awkward to not allow them to come, I'd just tell DD they are going to be there, and then stand back but keep a little eye on him.

It's quite likely that after she didn't respond to his friends requests he'd do nothing more than say hello to her and move on. If he chatted or lingered longer than she felt comfortable with she is capable of closing it down and moving away of her own accord and I'm sure he'll get the message.

If you feel that he really is stalking her round the party and sleazing over her then take him to one side and ask him very quietly to back the fuck off because he's making a fool of himself and making her feel uncomfortable, and you'd hate to have to tell his wife about it.

That's all that's required. Really no need at this stage to turn it into more of a drama than necessary.

Pseudo341 · 30/10/2015 06:48

People seem to be forgetting that sleazy behaviour on the dance floor was then followed up with him chasing her around on facebook, I don't see how that can be misinterpreted. I'd tell Sarah, either way your friendship with this couple is over, you might as well at least do the right thing by her. If my husband did this I'd damn well want to know so that I could divorce the disgusting bastard.

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AnyFucker · 30/10/2015 07:10

I wonder how bad beach 's hangover is this morning Hmm

Blu · 30/10/2015 07:20

Invite them, since Sarah is your friend. Find a moment, say, with no-one else listening, 'oi, Dave, stop letching over my dd, she doesn't appreciate it and it's embarrassing, Sarah is my mate'.

Really, this is better than talking to many people about it.

He was out of order, someone needs to tell him, but in the end he danced near her, didn't touch her, and sent her some FB requests. He is a young man closer to her age than yours. Sleazy little git, but just tell him calmly and succinctly, and contain the problem.

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Scarydinosaurs · 30/10/2015 07:55

I agree with the text idea explaining why he wasn't invited.

LeaveMyWingsBehindMe · 30/10/2015 08:00

exactly Blu

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