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To think people in decent jobs don't realise how hard it is to get a second crappy job..

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ssd · 28/10/2015 08:13

I keep seeing comments on the tax credits threads about tc claimants needing to work more, like its that easy.

I can imagine if you have kept up your job since having kids due to either being able to afford childcare or having that and a mix of free family help, then you will be earning a decent enough wage and there might be overtime at your organisation, or at the very least you will be on set hours/days...so if you wanted overtime you'd know when you were available to work.

I can imagine thousands on tax credits arent in this position. I work part time and have been trying to get a full time job, or at least another part time job that would fit in with the job I have.

Its bloody impossible and trust me, I'm trying!!

Full time jobs are very rare, round here its all part time job requiring full time flexibility...so they offer you 20 hours a week and expect you to be free all week to fit around them, this makes it impossible to have 2 part time jobs

So for every poster saying "work more", please consider this isnt as easy as you'd imagine.

OP posts:
Lollipopgirl8 · 29/10/2015 06:36

What is antagonist and where have I made assumptions I literally told you I work hard

You need to get off your high horse

No actually I won't disappear you need to accept there are people with opinions different to yours though to be honest I never expressed my opinion much just MY situation

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 29/10/2015 06:51

Antagonistic Lolli.

You literally told her? Not figuratively told her? Are you sure?

StrawberryField's English is at least as good as yours and it's her second language. Lucky you said you were merely 'born abroad' whereas she came as an adult otherwise people might get you two mixed up. Handy to have that small biographical detail to help us establish that you are two separate people Smile

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 29/10/2015 06:52

If I didn't know better, I'd think there were UKIP trolls about Smile

WomanScorned · 29/10/2015 07:05

I had a half decent job (HCA), where I had to do 3 different shifts.
Whilst on maternity leave, my partner ended our relationship and started drinking heavily. So, me going back to my job, while he did the child care was no longer an option.
So, I became self employed, working from home. I am also a carer for my adult son. He has regular crises, often in the early hours. This usually involves talking him down over the phone, sometimes for hours. I simultaneously cope, all alone, with a 5 year old who wakes up to 6x nightly. I have to sleep on his bedroom floor, as he just senses if I leave the room and wakes up hysterical.
My business was never going to work. I was one of those single parents bought a printer by my lone parent advisor, and persuaded that I could make it work. I couldn't. Most months I lived on the tax credits.
So, I claimed Income Support, temporarily.
I want to go back to work, but try finding a child minder to take a non sleeping 5 year old, overnight, for 1 week in 3!
I've trawled the agencies. Most local ones were set up by and for Eastern Europeanfinancial migrants. I never got a look in.
My son's employer has vacancies - zero hours contracts, hours often texted the previous evening.
A local after school club collects from my son's school, but can't offer ad hoc places at short notice, so I would need to pay whether he was there or not, then pay alternative child care for the awkward shifts, assuming, of course I could find an overnight child minder.
When my other son was at secondary school, my brother would stay over, with his little one when I was on nights. This cost me a takeaway for them both, plus a couple of beers for him. So, on weeks where I did 3 consecutive nights, I was out of pocket, as he was not registered, so the childcare element of tax credits didn't apply. I
I also had a car, then. I don't now, and I can't afford to buy one out of my Income Support, never mind run one.
Even when my older boy was 10, and we were in a homeless hostel and I was working 2 jobs for the same employer, sometimes racking up 80 hours a week, including sleeping nights, it just covered the rent on the hostel, and the cost of running the car. Community care workers have to be car owners/drivers, so I can't go back to that. I used to cycle to my now grown up son's nursery, with him in a seat, then to my morning cleaning job, then up to an industrial estate to my 'school hours' job - around 50 miles a week. At 47, malnourished and with my knees and hips knackered, I just can't do that, now.
I want to work. In fact, I have to work, as my little one it's now 5, so my Income Support will stop very soon.
I can't see a way out. My only 'help' is my adult 'aspie', who never knows what hours he is doing, due to his zero hours contract. His MH crises are also unpredictable - and exhausting for us both. I suspect that SS would take a dim view of my 5 year old being in the care of his suicidal brother. As they would have done, had the hostel manager reported me 10 years ago, when I was leaving him with the woman in the room opposite, or her for leaving her daughter with me while she worked, or was called out, at midnight, as the key holder to the 'bookies' she worked at.
There are so many obstacles that wouldn't even occur to people who have regular hours/a partner/a car/ family support.
I have no TV, no internet and I only get dressed if I'm going out, due to being down to just 2 sets of clothes that haven't yet fallen apart, and aren't hanging off due to the stone and a half I've lost in the past year (without trying). My hair is a mess, my nails are bitten down to the quick. I'm scruffy.
I have no TV, no internet just a crappy phone (which is why I can't check before posting, so please excuse typos and rambling, as I can only see 4 lines at a time!).
All suggestions gratefully received :)

Strawberryfield12 · 29/10/2015 07:05

Actually strawberryleaf English is my fourth not second language. And how many foreign languages are you fluent in? You shouldn't make assumptions about people you don't know at all.

MissDuke · 29/10/2015 07:34

I haven't looked for a '2nd' job for a few years now so don't know the situation right now, but never had problem getting one in the past - each time I wanted one, I had it within a couple of months. I worked in the civil service for ten years (so bit of flexibility), and in that time have had 3 zero hour contract jobs too - sitting people at concerts, as HCA in a hospital and youth work. Each involved training which took up a fair bit if time initially, then I could work when suited me. I also had a Sunday job in a shop for a while. This was so that I can cut back hours in my job for childcare reasons and to save for a career change. Personally I found zero hours contracts a blessing, but only because it wasn't my main job! Also I just rang up and said when I wanted to work.

I am now studying and claiming tax credits in the interim due to me having no income. I still have a zero hours contract but haven't done a shift in ages as my degree involves full time shifts mixed with blocks of study which incorporates exams, essays etc, so I need to give this priority for now. I am sure some people would say tax credits shouldn't be available for this purpose, but they are so of course I am going to claim them to enable me to do this course.

So basically, in my area there certainly wasn't a problem finding a 2nd job in the past, but I couldn't say for sure if that is still the case. It only worked for us because my dh worked steady mon-fri hours.

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 29/10/2015 07:42

Gosh field you're awfully good at missing a point aren't you?

I'm sorry giving you credit for English not being your first language was so offensive.

MissDuke · 29/10/2015 07:43

WomanScorned Flowers It is very hard to suggest things without really knowing you or your area. I assume you have looked into bank HCA work? I am bank with the hospital and can just ring and request a shift for whenever suits me which is never a problem. There are always shifts available in clinics so decent hours, or half shifts everyday on a ward. Obviously it still means having to get there somehow though and early starts can be difficult with children. Plus nights obviously pay best. I am under no obligation to work shifts at all and haven't done any in ages but am still on the list.

The other thing is some agencies operate in the same way, you might be able to get shifts in a local nursing home which might be more convenient for you? Good luck.

Do you have any friends that could help? I would be more than happy to help out a friend in this situation.

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 29/10/2015 07:49

womanscorned Flowers

Was the self-employed business something unrelated to your normal industry, then?

Strawberryfield12 · 29/10/2015 07:58

Haha, nitpicking at foreigners' minor errors in your native language when all you can speak yourself is English and ... English? Speaks volumes...

PausingFlatly · 29/10/2015 08:13

I think this is the bit people are having problems with, Strawberryfield:

just last week I dealt with a patient who most likely has MS and presented with her first episode of optic neuritis. I as merely stating life is about choices and hard work that's all.

Perhaps I've missed your meaning, but you seem to be directly contradicting yourself in consecutive sentences.

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 29/10/2015 08:13

No field that's a massive, fundamental error that changes the meaning to the opposite meaning. Stop now, eh? You look silly.

PausingFlatly · 29/10/2015 08:14

Arrgh, sorry, that was to Lollipop, not Strawberryfield.

YouTheCat · 29/10/2015 08:15

Can people really not understand how other people's circumstances might be different from their own?

Lollipop, not everyone has the capacity to train as a doctor for a start. Where would we be without people doing the jobs like cleaning and retail work? We can't all be high earners.

And anyone saying 'well, I did it so anybody can' is just a total arse with the empathy of a dead frog.

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 29/10/2015 08:18

Scorned could you get help from a carers' organization?

I really really feel for you.

One leg up and you'd be away Flowers

Strawberryfield12 · 29/10/2015 08:24

Err, no it's you who look silly. This is a free forum and people can post their opinions without asking your permission. The authoritarian regime you can have at your own home, on here you will have to live with others exercising their freedom and constitutional rights for freedom of speech.

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 29/10/2015 08:25

I'm not sure that is actually an error Pausing.

I can smell socks and rank illogic

YouTheCat · 29/10/2015 08:27

We don't have a constitution.

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 29/10/2015 08:33

Just let them burble on Cat Smile . Attempting to communicate with it is too exhausting.

Our certificates will protect us from all bad luck forever, like talismans and ill health is a choice but it isn't, but it is Confused Just nod Wink

YouTheCat · 29/10/2015 08:40

Like how I deal with my ex? I can manage the 'nod and look interested' thing. Grin

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 29/10/2015 08:45
Smile
Strawberryfield12 · 29/10/2015 08:47

You are right YouTheCat there is no formal paper of Constitution in the UK, but there are constitutional rights though.

YouTheCat · 29/10/2015 08:49

If the Tories get their way, there won't be.

dodobookends · 29/10/2015 11:00

To all those who look down their noses with utter contempt at those less fortunate than themselves:

You know - the less fortunate ones, the workshy slackers who ought to hoist themselves up by their bootstraps and better themselves - nursery nurses, baristas who serve you in naice coffee shops, kitchen staff slaving away in the boiling heat, warehouse packers, people who clean hospital floors, petrol station cashiers, delivery drivers, refuse collectors, all-night shelf-stackers, the list goes on.

All those hard-working people enable you to live your life in the comfort to which you feel you are entitled.

The next time you meet one, try putting yourself in their shoes for a while, and when you still don't get it, then perhaps it is time you realised that you are totally lacking in any kind of empathy or compassion for your fellow citizens, and are in fact an smug, obnoxious, unsympathetic arsehole.

And once realisation dawns, perhaps it's time you stopped thinking "Pull up the ladder Jack, I'm all right" and started thinking: "There but for the grace of God go I".

SolidGoldBrass · 29/10/2015 11:52

Once again, what some of the 'Well I worked hard, why don't you?' types are missing is how much things have changed. When I was a student and a young postgrad (in the late 80s) I could pick up bar work here and there when I wanted it. I could decide I was bored with my (bottom level office admin) job and just go and get another one. And while these jobs weren't highly paid, they were reasonably paid, and rents so much cheaper. Add in the subcontracting out of so many public and private sector unskilled/low-skilled jobs to agencies who simultaneously supply staff to companies at low cost and take a cut of what the company actually pays and surely you can see how much harder it is for many people these days.

I remain undecided about whether the right wing are doing all this stuff out of sheer thoughtlessness ie it doesn't occur to them that when so many people have so little money, commerce is going to grind to a halt, or whether there is some sort of planned out collective intention on their part to reintroduce something like serfhood, where the poor are actually owned by their 'betters' and must be available for work 24/7 in return for subsistence.