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To be annoyed with all the people on FB thanking God for 'miracle' recoveries

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bumbleymummy · 25/10/2015 20:14

Another one tonight where a boy's church are thanking God for him being found cancer free and thanking everyone for their prayers to make this possible. Lots of comments thanking God and Jesus and praise for how wonderful and gracious He is. Not a single mention of the doctors, surgeons, nurses etc who played a much more obvious role in his recovery!

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PunkrockerGirl · 26/10/2015 21:33

name calling Don't believe that because in a Christian I don't know a twat when I see one on line. . You've just confirmed my belief about how little you know want to know about anyone who has a faith.
And I'm still waiting to hear how my faith in dealing with my own horrendous situation affects you, exactly?
I don't want to go into this again, I said it way up thread but my work with terminally ill patients every day confirms my belief that for some patients and their relatives, their faith is hugely important. Most days as part of my job I'm with patients and relatives as they die. To dismiss what they're feeling with regard to their faith would be hideous, imo

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bumbleymummy · 26/10/2015 21:34

Bartholins, I don't think it's nice to single someone out like that and try to tease them. Mermaids has obviously been through a lot very recently. She feels comforted and reassured by her religion. What are you trying to achieve with your post?

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myotherusernameisbetter · 26/10/2015 21:45

Punk - carry on - the only one looking like a twat is a bit closer to your keyboard than I am. I think I have already explained how your faith affects others - more than once. By continuing to support a religion that allows it's paid representatives to commit crimes, both legal and moral, you are enabling it. But you know what? You can't argue with faith because it has no rules and no logic. It doesn't matter what evidence or logic is presented, it's all dismissed as we atheists not being able to understand because we don't have faith.

I do however find lots of things to believe in, they all have proof from science.

I personally take comfort from knowing that whilst there is still someone alive who loved and remembers a person then the knowledge of that person remains alive, that'll do for me in terms of an afterlife.

Mermaidhair · 26/10/2015 21:50

In my message I should have written that God told me that he loves my children more than I ever could, and that same love goes for me also.

PunkrockerGirl · 26/10/2015 22:00

So, my other I'll go to work tomorrow and nurse my dying patients. And if they or their relatives express a wish for chaplaincy or spiritual support I'll tell them they're being twats, shall I ?

BartholinsSister · 26/10/2015 22:07

Bumble ... I am not teasing Mermaid by asking her what someone who spoke to her sounded like.

myotherusernameisbetter · 26/10/2015 22:09

Of course not and I wouldn't tell them that either, it doesn't mean they are not wrong. Once again, I don't really have any issue with individuals having whatever beliefs they want as long as they don't cause harm to others, however, organised religion preys on the vulnerable and people who continue to support that should be actively discouraged from doing so.

it's all the small acts that add up to the perpetuation of a sick organisation on all the crimes being carried out "in god's name"....but at the end of the day, you can do what you like, as long as you confess and believe that christ is your saviour then you are assured a place by god's side.

You keep saying that no-one is answering your point (they have) but have you no comment to make on the atrocities and crimes carried out by an organisation you seem to be supporting?

CerseiHeartsJaime4ever · 26/10/2015 22:22

I am currently having a 'miracle' baby.

My friend prayed for it to happen (because as a dedicated atheist, I certainly wasn't going to waste my time) and lo and behold, god made it so.

Pious friend doesn't realise god didn't make my baby.... fertility treatment did.

PunkrockerGirl · 26/10/2015 22:27

This thread was never about organised religion, although many have diverted it, as have you. You still haven't told me why you have such a problem with people having comfort from a faith at difficult times and how exactly it affect you. It doesn't though, does it, though you'll lose face of you admit it. I will continue to pray for my dying brother, because that comforts us as a family and if you're offended by it, then tough.

Mermaidhair · 26/10/2015 22:28

If he spoke in another language I wouldn't be able to meet stand hm.

myotherusernameisbetter · 26/10/2015 22:37

Sorry punk but I have about 4 times now - "there are none so blind as those who cannot see..."

I have also said numerous times - if you want to pray and if it gives you comfort then crack on. But at least think about what you are doing and why and don't be blind to the fact of what it is you are supporting in the end.

I've been in your shoes though and it isn't a nice place to be. I hope your brother is helped and supported by those around him and the medical profession as I also do for all those on this thread with ill loved ones and those who are bereaved. It is perfectly possible to be a compassionate and caring person without religion as it is perfectly possible in the reverse.

TitusGibbonicus · 26/10/2015 22:53

That god also caused whatever life threatening condition afflicts someone seems forgotten.

myotherusernameisbetter · 26/10/2015 22:58

well Titus, I would argue that he didn't, just as he/she isn't handing out small acts of goodness whilst simultaneously allowing millions of others to die in horrific circumstances. What makes some people think that they are so special to be awarded a job they really wanted or their spots cleared up by god whilst at the same time truly evil acts are being conducted on innocent children whilst he/she turns a blind eye?

I really don't know how anyone could have respect for such a god were they to exist.

brokenhearted55a · 26/10/2015 23:06

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tywinlannister · 26/10/2015 23:21

Not to derail the thread or discount anyone's experiences, but I am an atheist and do not believe in god at all. However, I have said in many threads before that my epilepsy means I have 'psychic seizures' in which I have visions, hear god's voice, speak with angels, feel a light shining on me from heaven, feel such joyous euphoria that many would take to be a religious experience. Thousands of people have these auras without knowing, they do not cause unconsciousness.

All of these experiences have been seizures or auras caused by stress, hunger or tiredness. I don't mean to upset anyone or suggest that what you felt didn't happen but it is widely accepted that neurological conditions can cause these symptoms. Especially in times of stress. Scientists speculate that historical visions (Joan of Arc et al) are episodes of this type.

If anyone is experiencing this, I would advise plenty of R&R because they can elevate to full on tonic clonics and stress is a no1 factor. If you google religious epilepsy, there is plenty of information.

for everyone on this thread who has lost someone.

QOD · 26/10/2015 23:35

elsaaintascoldasme
So sorry

PrinceHansOfTheTescoAisles · 26/10/2015 23:48

This is the most unpleasant thread I've read in a long time. Among those being insulted are a recent widow and a soon to be bereaved sister. All for the sake of what? Venting your own issues with organised religion? It's all very uncomfortable to read and, I think, had strayed quite a long way from the OP's intention.

Twunk · 26/10/2015 23:57

I've had a child with cancer and we are lucky in that he shows every likelihood of surviving it.

In fact treatment went incredibly well! And I did no praying because I don't believe in any god or gods.

On a support group I'm on I remember reading someone essentially saying that it was God's plan to test them with leukaemia for their darling DS.

I would not want to believe in a god that wanted to test me by giving my son this horrendous disease, and then demands that you pray that he recovers.

I mean what the fuck is all that about?

Wobblystraddle · 27/10/2015 06:00

fractious that Tim Minchin song is amazing!

minmooch · 27/10/2015 06:50

I prayed and prayed for my son. I pleaded to change places. If there is a God he let my child suffer for 27 months with a brain tumour. If there is a God he took him piece by piece. If there is a God he allowed a 16 year old boy to suffer, but to be aware that he would die. He died aged 18. If there is a God he did not listen to a single prayer to help my child. The people who workedtirelessly for my son were the Drs nurses, teachers, cleaners, family and friends.

AlanPacino · 27/10/2015 08:29

most unpleasant thread

It is in AIBU, the op finds particular FB posts unpleasant and wondered if other people did/didn't. It's unfair to suggest that as soon as someone says they agree with the FB posts that the thread should stop. If it had been a thread where the OP was specifically thanking God for a loved one's recovery I'm certain it wouldn't have attracted the sort of debate that this one has and that it is clear from its title what the content will be. I feel very strongly that there should be places where we can debate. I also feel strongly that there should be places where people can share their beliefs without challenge and I'm certain AIBU isn't that place!

AlanPacino · 27/10/2015 09:07

And if they or their relatives express a wish for chaplaincy or spiritual support I'll tell them they're being twats, shall I ?

No because as I and others have said in RL we wouldn't challenge it and at that point it's obvious that empathy overrides truth. I have a very unwell relative who is becoming increasingly religious, and I can totally understand why. While I wouldn't challenge her beliefs in RL talking with other like minded non believers is completely different.

redstrawberry10 · 27/10/2015 10:34

No because as I and others have said in RL we wouldn't challenge it and at that point it's obvious that empathy overrides truth.

It depends on what is going on in real life too. This is a discussion thread. The only thing going on here is discussion. you put your views up and everyone else has a chance to agree or disagree and everyone here knows that. That's certainly not a license to be rude, but you can't feel like you can say something and have it be the case that everyone must agree.

RL is different. If someone in a hospital had a dying relative and talked about it's ok because the dying relative will soon be with Jesus, the intention there is not to invite debate from strangers (or familiar medical staff) passing by, but to comfort.

redstrawberry10 · 27/10/2015 10:36

I think where the new line being drawn is that when there is explicitly a discussion, that views don't need to be respected simply because they are religious.

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bumbleymummy · 27/10/2015 10:57

Yes, this was intended to be a discussion thread. I know things have moved on a bit from my OP (I know this happens - not an accusation of derailing!) but I think it's interesting and people should be able to express their opinions without worrying about it upsetting or offending someone else. I know people have shared some of their personal experiences which are obviously quite sensitive for them but I don't think this should shut down discussion. If anyone is finding it too upsetting then it's completely understandable if they want to leave/hide the thread.

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