To think men don't need to walk between a woman and the road and wonder where that idea came from?

[Damselindestress]

I saw this picture on Facebook. After staring for a while I eventually realised that they were saying he should be walking on the street side and that was confirmed in the comments but I don't know why that is considered correct etiquette. I've only heard of walking on the street side when walking with children so they don't run into the road, seems a bit patronising with an adult. I wondered if anyone could let me know where this idea comes from?

Has anyone ever actually thrown a tantrum? Straw man

Throwing a tantrum = feeling mildly peeved and expressing this to a third party at a later date.

onedirection are you living in the 1950s?
I like good manners too. What I don't like is being patronised and infantalised because I've got a vagina.

Well, I've politely asked the gentleman concerned why he was dodging about squashing me against the wall repeatedly. He explained his father had brought him up to let the woman walk on the inside.

That was the first time I had ever encountered the custom and I told him that I did not find being squashed polite and that he was treating me like a small child.

I was definitely assertive about it, but if that's a tantrum, we'll need an entire new word for frustrated toddlers.

red

Yes, what you originally said was:

"when these customs involve specific actions against a specific adult group (in this case women), and the basis for the custom is that that group is more vulnerable than the other, then the custom should be questioned because both the underlying assumption is false and what logically follows is unpleasant."

(No mention of women needing protection) I'm curious about what unpleasantness 'logically follows'.

dejah

No one is suggesting the man should hold his teenage son's (or a woman's) hand or that he would be doing so to prevent them running out in the road. The teenage son was given as an example of a male/male relationship where one may feel protective over the other. I'm pretty sure you know that.

If the son knew his dad was putting him on the inside he may feel infantilised (as some women on this thread have said they would feel) or he may think it's nice that his father feels protective of him (as other women on this thread have said they would feel). We're all different.

My nana's now sadly deceased companion would have been 98 if he was still alive. When I was younger and we walked down the street he always did this. We'd cross the road and he'd realign himself to go back near the kerb.

What a gentleman. I really don't mind old fashioned etiquette at all.

I can't believe some of the utter shite I'm reading on this thread. It's all over the place today, what the hell?

Little weak women should be grateful and happy that these big strong men are there to protect us from speeding cars with their big strong manly bodies. Fucking boak.

How strange. I don't remember reading any comments like that at all...

Don't you?

That women should be 'grateful' and 'happy'?

No.

Usedtobeapaxmanfan- that's up to you if your oh doesn't offer you his seat first.
My dp does and I appreciate it.
I do judge a man who takes the last seat leaving his partner to stand.
I also judge men who expect to be waitered on Hand and foot and men who do not cook.
My Dp is better at housework than I am and does far more cooking, even though he works longer hours.
I really appreciate the way he treats me.

I dated a guy 20 years ago who did this - it was bloody annoying as he constantly changed position to get on the outside as we crossed toads, I told him that I wished he wouldn't because it was awkward and a bit daft but he refused to comply with my wishes - now how is that manners - his wishes over mine for my own good - really?
Dh doesn't do this thankfully but he is always thinking of me in the most original, surprising of ways - he responds to my needs but it's for me not a general need.
I love manners, I love that they display regard for other people. I stand back, open doors etc but I don't need this because I am a woman - it's nice because I'm a person, a fellow human - male, female, small, large, old, young, consideration makes us smile and makes us feel good, we should all be allowed to give.
I'm wondering if all these men who display these kind of manners for the good of womankind are equally as considerate in the home, picking up after themselves, doing dishes and cooking dinner? Are these efforts for public display only and in private the women are relegated to servants again?

,,,,But if someone (male or female) feels protective over someone else (child/partner) and wants to put themselves at risk for that person then I think that is a nice gesture, not an offensive one. And If the person is an adult and doesn't wish or need to be protected then the said someone who wishes to do the needless protecting should have manners and back off!

I take it as a compliment and him being a gentleman, fine in my eyes!

(No mention of women needing protection) I'm curious about what unpleasantness 'logically follows'.

if women are indeed more vulnerable (to the point where men should be trained to walk on the side of the road) perhaps we should make a few laws regarding the protection of women. This is indeed how other countries react to this difference.

if you assume women are less able then men, that assumption has consequences.

Havent read whole thread but heres a clip of the fab Dave Allen explaining how ridiculous this is.