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To ask those who voted for the conservatives ....

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ginorwine · 19/10/2015 07:28

Reading the threads here there is much criticism about conservative policy .
A lot of people must have voted for them .
Where are they on mums net ?
And on threads such as those re the w t c cuts are they not representing their views as it was clear this would happen ?
I can tell that they may be slated but surley differing views can be expressed so long as it doesn't get nasty - a know that feeling run high but surley ppl can do so .
So to Tory voters -is it how you anticipated .what are your views ?

OP posts:
Axekick · 21/10/2015 07:45

ut many would regard Thatcher as a war criminal for ordering the sinking of the Belgrano, backing of Pinochet in Chillie and a host of other things.

Yes I know that's why I said 'no party' because non of them should do it.

Yes labours attitude did lose them the election. Blaming everyone else is childish.

DaggerEyes · 21/10/2015 07:59

The thing that annoys me is, publicly share an anecdote on being poor and how you hate tories....you get raucous applause and furious head nodding. Tell the same audience how immigration has affected your home town and cost your husband his job and you are called racist and ignorant.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 21/10/2015 08:04

Yes labours attitude did lose them the election. Blaming everyone else is childish

Yes. The Tories didn't of course base their whole austerity nonsense on blaming Labour Hmm x 10000000

IKnowIAmButWhatAreYou · 21/10/2015 08:09

Because Labour did such a sterling job with the country eh Fanjo?

They had their turn & fucked it up as usual, time for those of us that sucked it up for those years to have our chance to fuck it up now.

I honestly think that some people are born Red and will die Red no matter what, that's fair enough - but enough of the "Baby Eating Tories" rhetoric, it's really, really boring now...

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 21/10/2015 08:12

I haven't said anything particularly harsh about Tories.

Yes labour caused the global crash. Are the Tories causing the imminent recession and the slowdown in China? They must be by your reckoning.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 21/10/2015 08:15

I do believe the Government lies, manipulates the media and screws over the poor and disabled.

Hardly saying all Tory voters eat babies.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 21/10/2015 08:19

All this preemptive demonising of people who are left wing on this thread is really dull.

IKnowIAmButWhatAreYou · 21/10/2015 08:21

Are the Tories causing the imminent recession

Didn't realise we were about to have one TBH...

I do believe the Government lies, manipulates the media and screws over the poor and disabled.

I have no problem with that statement - it covers all governments, Red, Blue & Stripey.

OTheHugeManatee · 21/10/2015 08:23

Longtime, I think it's interesting that you assume anyone who objects to higher taxes and resents suspected benefit fraud must be a Conservative voter. Polls actually show widespread support for welfare reform including among traditional Labour supporters, plenty of whom make the distinction between deserving and undeserving poverty even if the patrician metropolitan Left does not.

Support for moderate taxes and dislike of benefit fraud can come from practically anywhere in the political spectrum, with the possible exception of the caucus currently supporting Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader. But the fact that you assume otherwise does give me an interesting clue as to why the Labour Party seems so riven with strife at the moment: if the left immediately assumed any sign of disagreement is evidence of Tory-ness then no wonder the splits and factions get so bitter so quickly.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 21/10/2015 08:23

Me" err I don't really think much of the government"..

Tory posters: "you left wing people are so set in your ways. You think by screaming and shouting you can bully people into getting your own way. All this Tories eat babies and are scum rhetoric is so boring. I'm not surprised noone admits to voting Tory in here with the vile abuse they face" etc etc

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 21/10/2015 08:24

To be fair othe the thread is about people who vote tory.

IKnowIAmButWhatAreYou · 21/10/2015 08:25

All this preemptive demonising of people who are left wing on this thread is really dull.

Hang on, the thread was rolling along nicely until certain people started frothing & ripping into people they perceived as "Tories".

This thread is going the way of all MN political discussions, time to leave before I wear the "Ignore" button out...

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 21/10/2015 08:27

There is no frothing and ripping in.

Certainly not from me. Have hardly been on the thread in fact. Such exaggeration, it's really daft.

OTheHugeManatee · 21/10/2015 08:27

What is 'pre-emptive demonising'? Confused

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 21/10/2015 08:28

See my post about overreaction above.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 21/10/2015 08:29

That was a x post.

That was a x post. Anyway such defensiveness it's ridiculous.

Reminds me of the tory advert about Corbyn being a big Bin Laden fan and misquoting him

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 21/10/2015 08:30

Disagreement in a mild fashion is NOT "frothing" or "ripping in."

Axekick · 21/10/2015 08:32

The Tories didn't of course base their whole austerity nonsense on blaming Labour hmm x 10000000

I didn't vote Tory. I am not defending them. I am pointing that the condescending attitude contributed significantly to them losing. I am certainly not saying the Tories are amazing.

OTheHugeManatee · 21/10/2015 08:34

Returning to the theme in the OP for a moment, the question of why perfectly nice people can vote in polar opposite ways and genuinely struggle to see the other viewpoint is a really important one. Especially as the Internet is making political debate much more polarised and vicious, on both sides. There's a great book on the subject by an American psychologist called Jonathan Haidt. Though it's geared more towards Amerucan liberal/conservative pokitics, which is slightly different to the English left/right, a lot of it is very relevant. Basically he argues that the mutual incomprehension of left and right is down to qualitatively different underlying moral priorities, and not one side or the other being stupid or evil. And that we need to grasp this to keep political debate healthy and with give and take and discussion on both sides.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 21/10/2015 08:43

My mum is a Tory.

Darkbehindthecurtain · 21/10/2015 08:45

Some of my best friends vote Labour.

Will have a look out for that, Manatee, thanks.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 21/10/2015 08:55

Maybe we will all love each other by end of the thread Grin

Off to take Dd for her flu jab. Thanks NHS Wink Grin

Grazia1984 · 21/10/2015 09:11

OHuge's point is more interesting than people's polarised views. I think many on the left and right want what is best and support the welfare state but we have very fundamantally different attitudes. Mine is very much that we have a moral duty to support our family and ourselves. It is hard to put that difference into words but it comes out time and again on the left/right debates. I also agree with what someone else said above that a lot of people who support the country living within its means are not necessarily right wing or traditional Tory voters. That is the mistake Labour made at the last election. It assumed most people wanted a spend spend spend policy.

That goes the other way round too - I might have voted Tory as the best of a bad job but I don't support all they are doing. I can see no grounds for continuing to ring fence certain areas from cutting pointless waste. I don't see why pensioners should get pension rises under the triple lock which include 2.5% even when inflation is under 0 and when we are paying so much to service the debt and fund the deficit.

Someone suggested we were on the verge or recession above. Labour's biggest problem is going to be that we are coming out of recession and if they are not carefuly in 5 years' time the UK will be doing so well Corbyn will be on a hiding to nothing in trying to wrest power from the Tories.

longtimelurker101 · 21/10/2015 09:16

I never mentioned benefit fraud, I do object to those who benefit greatly from society asking for lower taxes, as proportionally the best off have never paid so little of their income for a long time and yet benefit massively.

The Labour party is not "rifting" some Labour MPs are, the party over whelming voted for Corbyn. Many of Corbyn's policies are actually viable (people's quantitative easing etc) but the misinformation e.g the "tragedy" of Bin Laden's death etc will see him be unsuccessful.

It is a great skill that, to be able to misinform people so regularly, and yet still get people to vote for you.

This particular government have done it repeatedly ( and yes Labour did it in the past too with the Iraq war, that was wrong too) but people still swallow it whole. Interesting.

HeighHoghItsBacktoWorkIGo · 21/10/2015 09:24

To be fair, I pay no attention to the "tragedy of Bin Laden's death" guff. I hate the petty attacks based on side issues taken out of context. Both sides do it and it's ineffective and unattractive.

I am not sure it is fair to say people are misinformed.