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to ask for your help in wording an email to my siblings?

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LaLyra · 02/10/2015 15:47

This probably isn't the right place. And I probably should be able to compose an email by myself, but my DH is away, 3 of my 5 children have chicken pox, one of my DD's seems to think she's 23 rather than 13 and my fucking siblings are being a bloody nightmare.

I'm the youngest of four siblings. My brothers are 9 and 8 years older than me and my sister 6. Our father is dying. Apparently he has days left at most. My siblings have decided that we will be going to the funeral together and that we'll each be contributing a set amount to flowers, one set from us and one set from "the grandchildren".

When I was 7 my paternal grandparents realised how much of an abusive monster their son was, and that their DIL wasn't much better. We stayed with them on Friday night like we did every week and they spotted an iron burn on my sister. After speaking to us and everything finally coming out they went to the police, social services and our school and after lots and lots of arguments we never, ever went home.

Since then I've seen my father maybe a dozen times. Usually when he turned up at GP's looking for money for booze or drugs, or to shout at them because "his" money (child benefit and family allowance) had been stolen by them.

Last year we were told by a distant relative that he had cancer. Sister decided to visit him. This caused uproar with my brothers at the time, one of them even stopped speaking to her for several months. I told her she had to make her own decisions because we each have to live with our choices. I wouldn't be visiting as I want nothing to do with him.

Over the past months she has visited him regularly and was even planning on him coming to stay with her when he left hospital, but instead he's had to go to a hospice place for care. My brothers have softened to her decision to the point that they have both been going with her (again, imo, that's their choice).

However, they've now decided on this funeral/flowers plan. I said no and since then I've had emails/phone calls from each of them and now they are taking the "we always agreed we'd stick together" line, which is hurtful to me because we took that line against our parents. After another email today I need to put together a reply that is firm, but not too emotional (if there's any hint of emotion they'll just ignore it).

I need it to be right because if I put it well they'll get it (we've been here before and if I word things right it's like they suddenly remember I'm not a child anymore). In many ways I know I shouldn't even bother, but they're my siblings and I'm not ready to cut them off yet.

"I wanted to make my position clear to each of you as there seems to be some sort of belief amongst the three of you that my mind can, or will, be changed.

I will not be going to this funeral. I will not be contributing to flowers and you will not be including my children in any sort of tribute from grandchildren. This is not something I will be changing my mind on.

I do not appreciate the "sticking together" line being thrown at me over this. We used to say that to each other when we were promising to protect each other from them. Now it feels to me that you are allowing him to use it against me.

I support your decisions to go to the funeral because it is something the three of you clearly wish to do, just like I have supported your decision to visit him. All I ask is that you do me the same courtesy by respecting my decision not to go."

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LaLyra · 08/10/2015 23:37

Sorry I haven't been back sooner.

It's all gone rather pear shaped. I've had a huge row with my eldest brother. Some horrible things were said. My sister is entirely on his side and she's said some things that I don't ever see myself being able to forgive her for.

Thankfully other brother has been really good about it all. I had a horrible moment when he asked for his cheque. Then he tore it up and said he never, ever wanted to hear that mentioned again because it was fair and nothing would change that.

I'm just a bit numb at the moment so it's all a bit rambly. What happens next I have no idea.

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Lynnm63 · 09/10/2015 00:37

I'm so sorry your eldest brother is being at total arse. Was this row in person or over the phone? Is your DH back home yet or are you dealing with this on your own?
At least your other brother is supportive, maybe just keep in contact with him until you can bear to deal with the other two.

Well done for standing up for yourself though.
Im sure you have loads of RL help but PM me if you want to rant.
Sending you a hug.

LaLyra · 09/10/2015 00:51

It was in person. He came to my house with my sister. Thankfully, by chance, my MIL was here. A line has been crossed though because they know the kids have the pox (I've never been so grateful so see spots scabbing in my entire life!) so knew they'd be here.
DH is away. He'll back tomorrow night, but he knows the bigger bits of it now and he's livid.

I just don't know what to make of it all. It's so bizarre, listening to my eldest brother rant and my sister defend him was like listening to our parents. My other brother is shattered. He is heartbroken by the things that got said (he didn't know they were coming here until my sister text him to say they were at mine to sort everything out) and he's feeling terrible that he was adding pressure to me. He swears blind his only concern was that I'd regret it, but can now see that he went about it very badly. Given how upset he was I believe him ( and think he's been utterly pulled into this by our sister).

There's games been played all sorts of ways and lots of twisting of things that all came out in the wash.

Thank you. All of you. You've been a great help. Very much appreciated, and I love the 'sweary Samaritans' phrasing!

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LaContessaDiPlump · 09/10/2015 07:35

I'm really glad that you've got at least one sibling on your side, LaLyra. Hopefully that will shake the certainty of the other two a little. Also good that your MIL witnessed some of the crazy, although I'm sure it didn't feel like that at the time.

Courage, as my French friend used to say!

scarlets · 09/10/2015 08:08

You've done nothing wrong in any of this OP. Keep that thought in your head and be resolute.

Baconyum · 09/10/2015 08:44

Definitely crossed a line. In your position I'd be seriously considering going NC with older brother and sister at least temporarily. Glad you have support IRL. Flowers

skinoncustard · 09/10/2015 09:05

Your e-mail sounds good to me .
I hate, that no matter how bad a person has been or how they have treated others , that on their (approaching ) death they suddenly turn into saints !,and that some of those that suffered at their hands turn on the 'we must forgive', ' they are old', 'it's in the past' shit and pressurise others to join them in the mockery .
After 30 years nc, I did the attend funeral bit, be the dutiful daughter bit, only to find out after, that there was even more 'stuff' and no one to confront anymore. I felt even more wronged and used AGAIN!!!AngrySadAngrySad
My advice would be, find yourself a quiet moment think about how you will really feel when he dies. If you feel you can live with your decision then allow NO one to change your mind. Flowers

Arfarfanarf · 09/10/2015 09:50

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NumbBlaseCold · 09/10/2015 10:28

*"listening to my eldest brother rant and my sister defend him was like listening to our parents."

Would there be any benefit to saying this to them?*

Yes I agree if you do speak to them again then I would tell them how much they sound like your parents.

Your earlier posts show your older brother acting like you father too, that should be highlighted.

How have you left it with those two, are you NC?

They are bullies through and through and you don't deserve to have this abuse from them, they should know better.

Your other brother sounds very good, keep tight to him.

Did the unpleasant ones take their cheques?

I can only presume they would and if they do not destroy them then that is another hammer in from them.

Did they be unpleasant in front of your children and MIL, because that is even more foul behaviour indeed!

RandomMess · 09/10/2015 14:26

Flowers sounds like they have spiralled out of control, geez they both desperately need therapy!!!

Glad the dc are getting better and that your dh is home very soon. Big hugs it's them not you.

Scoobydoo8 · 09/10/2015 14:58

Stand firm OP.

Accept that your relationship with them will probably not go back to what it was. But the way they are it's probably in your and your family's interest to keep contact to the minimum now.

They are two screwed up individuals but it's not your job to fix them.

sadwidow28 · 10/10/2015 19:14

LaLyra you are doing incredibly well. I got a shouty phone call from a sibling the other night and, as I said I would, I channelled you.

My 91 year old mother has had a spell in hospital, released to 3 weeks in a care home and then released on Monday from there to her own home with a 4-visit-per-day support package. On Tuesday evening she 'went walk-about', had a fall and knocked at a strangers door to ask for help to get home. Thankfully he was not a muderer and actually put her in his car and drove her back home.

So she is back in the care home (from Wednesday) on another 3 month stint. My sister phoned me up to say that they have their own lives to lead and they can't keep visiting her every day - so a rota is being drawn up. What days would I do? Weekends would be good.

I live 150 miles away for goodness sake. I feel absolutely no love for my biological mother (see my previous post) so I said "Don't include me in any rota because I won't be there." I was ignored and sister said she would put me down for Fridays and Sundays - I could have Saturday off. I repeated: "Don't include me in any rota because I won't be there."

See? I channelled your strength.

I am so sorry that everything is going pear-shaped. How you salvage any sibling relationship out of this I don't know because both you and I are treading new paths. I'll be watching your thread to pick up some tips for me.

Take care Flowers

PosterEh · 10/10/2015 19:26

Be strong. Be rude if they push you to it. His funeral will be over soon and you'll have decades to rebuild your relationships with them if you choose to. If they talk you into something you don't want you'll resent them forever.

RoastitBubblyJocks · 10/10/2015 19:40

OP I just wanted to say that I wish I was a level headed and composed as you have been with this. I really admire you.

I sent a grumpygram this morning to a sibling and I wish I had asked you to proof read it first! Blush

Lynnm63 · 12/10/2015 19:18

Hope you are ok OP. Have your siblings been back in touch or have tgey backed off a bit now your DH is home.
If you need us we are all here for you.

LaLyra · 12/10/2015 19:45

Thanks everyone. Sorry for not getting back over the weekend. DH was home and the children were finally pox free so we could actually get out of the house - hurrah!

I've spoken to my eldest brother once over the weekend, via the telephone and it culminated in me telling him that it felt like he was bullying me into doing something I have repeatedly said I didn't want to do. He said some things so I've told him that I don't want to speak to him again until he's ready to accept that I'm not a child. I didn't want to attend our mother's funeral when she died years ago and that's not a decision I regret so I don't see why this is any different, other than the fact that this time his decision is different and we don't agree. According to my SIL this is something he's brooding on.

Things are a little bit weird with other brother. I think he's in a very confused place. He's making a counselling appointment this week. We've chatted a few times, and he's quite apologetic, but it's still odd. I think it'll take us a while.

I haven't spoken to my sister. As far as I know she has banked her cheque. She has, I'm told, reacted very badly to my pointing out that her "inheritance" has increased in value as well - she put it in a savings account and then used it as a house deposit, her house has increased in value a lot. she can't see the correlation at all and still thinks i was massively favoured.

I made a counselling appointment for next week. I didn't realise it could happen so quickly!

DH is beyond livid, but is staying out of it to a certain extent (at my request). He did however tell eldest brother he wasn't going to an event they, and several others, go too. When asked why he rather bluntly pointed out that brother wouldn't want to spend time with him if he'd gone round to their house to scream at SIL while he was away. He then got an apology, an actual genuine apology, which infuriated him and he hung up. As far as he's concerned it's my call, but he'd happily have zero contact with eldest brother and sister.

Thank you again. I really appreciate all your help and advice.

sadwidow well done you! Don't be bullied into it. Your siblings are being utterly unreasonable - even if you were willing to be on the rota thinking 2 x 300 mile round trip in 48 hours is nonsensical!

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RandomMess · 12/10/2015 19:51

So glad your dh is back and the dc are pox free!!

It does sound like progress of sorts. Your dsis is clearly just a bit thick when it comes to money and appreciation Wink

Purplepoodle · 12/10/2015 19:58

I've read this a few times. It seems to me your eldest brother has severe issues that he's never worked out (esp if he was 16 before being removed). My friend was abused by their parents yet she admits to having this twisted loyalty to them in the back of her head - after much counselling she came to realise parents had conditioned friend this way.

Doesn't excuse his behaviour towards you though

FantasticButtocks · 12/10/2015 20:00

Love your blunt DH Grin Hopefully that will make your brother think a bit

Lynnm63 · 12/10/2015 22:28

Your DH sounds like a star. Im glad he called your brother out on his behaviour and that he is letting you do this your way.

Lynnm63 · 12/10/2015 22:30

I meant glad he is respecting your wishes rather than 'letting you'. You're a grown up no one 'lets' you do anything. I didn't mean to sound patronising.

NumbBlaseCold · 13/10/2015 20:48

Your DH sounds very great LaLyra, very supportive and firm to your siblings.

Your brother and sister have behaved very badly and still continue to, sadly.

Baconyum · 14/10/2015 03:15

I can't believe sister banked the cheque! Eldest brother should have apologised to you too.

But yes glad your dh is so supportive and takes no nonsense.

LaLyra · 16/10/2015 17:19

Not really much to add, but I didn't like just leaving it when everyone had been so helpful.

My sister did, as I thought, bank the cheque. Eldest brother was apparently going to do so, but SIL told him if he did they'd be in trouble. So he still has it, but I don't know what he's going to do with it.

Our father died last night so I've no idea if it's over or just beginning.Only time will tell.

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Ohfourfoxache · 16/10/2015 18:06

I hope your father's death brings some sort of closure for you Thanks