Kate Middleton

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AIBU to find Kate Middleton really annoying ? It's probably just me but I find her so smug. Anyway feel much better for getting that off my chest !!!

annielouise

Because he's the queen's actual son. Immediate family. If Kate qualifies, so does he.

Broken link: women earning their own money

Must be the chip on my shoulder. Made me accidentally hit the wrong key in that line.

I don't know what your last post is as it seems apropos of nothing. Your arguments are illogical - there'll always be exceptions that prove the rule with your mention of prostitutes. And where did I actually say Tesco was a dead end job?! I said working in Tesco you're hardly going to meet a rich man that will sweep you off your feet. You keep clutching at straws with your arguments and trying to be clever and it's not working. Bottom line you think women should marry rich men for money and not work unless they have well-invested shares. Utter tripe from a brain that's clearly made of sponge.

Were you the teacher that said she taught girls in secondary in the 1970s upthread that went to university? So you became a teacher at a time a degree wasn't needed. I've got a friend with 2 O levels that became a teacher. Doesn't mean she's smart as she isn't and I think the same must apply to you.

don't put words in my mouth TheIncomparableidiot

DisappointedOne

So you actually have no information and were talking up your speculation to make it sound like fact. Still a gossip.

annielouise

Ironic. You have been putting words in my mouth for pages at this point...

But anyway, I seem to have a lot of exceptions there though, don't I? Women and children forced into sex-work, sweatshop workers in harmful conditions, the list goes on. It's almost as if workplace conditions and the manner of work we do actually matter a damn. That's because they do. This lie that only earning money matters just further erodes workers' rights and the public will to improve them. It is wrong

No, I am not a teacher, upthread or otherwise.

I've put no words in your mouth at all. As usual your arguments are thin. I thought you were the teacher but you've confirmed not. I didn't say you were, I asked if you were. How is that putting words in your mouth? Love the little grins but not sure why they're there - reminds me of the type of thing annoying little kids to for oneupmanship

Btw, your choice of reading material tells me a lot - that you live in fantasy land of Princesses and martians

No, Inimitablejeeves, for someone of Diana's background and educational abilities (a couple of O levels at the most) going to university wasn't normal. Which friends of hers went? Apart from that, in the late 1970s and early 1980s only about 1 in 7 went to university, so it wasn't "normal", probably more boys went than girls too.

AnnieLouise, self-evidently no-one lacking in the required qualifications is going to get into university, whether it's the 1970s or 2015. The fact remains that universities in the 1970s had very large numbers of girls, and it wasn't some strangely different world where that was regarded as abnormal. IME in fact people who had been in private education were in fact over-represented in the female university population.

"Very large numbers" of girls means nothing. Only 15% went to university then.

Why pluck something out that was pages ago and the whole thread has moved on? Regardless of Diana's educational standards she had no need to go to university. Few of her ilk did. She was expected to marry well and that was about it. When I posted that it was in response to pinkfrocks saying well no one criticised Diana for what she did before marriage and all I did was point out she was only 19/20 so not a whole lot of time for her to do much (even though she seemed to have done more than Kate in much less time) plus she didn't go to university anyway, and she was from a social level where women didn't need to go. Sigh.

When only 15% of the population are going that doesn't make it "normal" to go. It's more normal to go now that we've reached almost 50%.

Oh, you know Burroughs, then? Can you tell me if the Tarzan books are worth me borrowing next?

And yes, you have put words in my mouth. Go back and read what I actually said about marrying rich. I even prefaced my response to you with "Let's deal with this seriously, if you want to go down that route" when you began handwringing over women's aspirations in response to a joke (intended to make the point that Kate does not actually have the best life in the world).

In case you haven't got it yet, I have absolutely no intention of divorcing DH for someone rich. Zilch. Zero, and I do not want to sign up for an aristocrat, whatever his assets, and I am not asking fellow MNers to find me one.

That point settled, after that, you said, "Apart from that what rich man is going to want someone stuck in a dead end job? You live in lala land if you think a rich man that you so want is going to look at a women working in Tesco!"

Sneery.

Woolly woolly woolly, illogical.

Haha, "I have no intention of divorcing DH for someone rich" - fucking bizarre statement. Deary me. Hysterical.

Not sneery - realistic. And no you weren't joking. You banged on about poor women going to Brighthouse and that marrying a rich man was a solution out of that life and kept trying to say I don't understand because I've a career, and you kept trying to get me to say I've got a career as if that proved everything, that I couldn't possibly know what it's like to be poor. I didn't actually get a career until 35. As I said it was hard won. I worked many a shit job but not once, despite actually being called attractive, did I consider nabbing a rich man. Pathetic.

I've not intention of divorcing DH hahahahahahaha!

Believe me, at this point, I find your posts as incomprehensible as you find mine.

annielouise for someone who is berating women for not working and says they must do this than and the other, can you see the irony in some posters wastingspending their lives on a forum making anon posts when they really should be doing something more worthwhile?
I can.

I'm self-employed pink. I choose my hours by and large so I might have time off now but will work later tonight, depending on what comes in. I'm a single parent with a mortgage and no CSA coming in, I have to work, and I enjoy it. Try it - it's fulfilling.

spending their lives on a forum making anon posts when they really should be doing something more worthwhile?

Oh, please don't mention that until I've actually managed to hide the thread and do what I'm supposed to do today!

You could get your facts straight first pink. Not everyone works 9-5. So no irony at all here. Also, in fact, I've been working in between posts. I'm my own boss, it's allowed

well even allowing for you to work between posting you clearly aren't working flat out.
So it can't be a very demanding job if you have the time and emotional energy to spend on this forum.

And as for your stats about women going to uni in the late 70s - early 80s. The figure you gave isn't entirely correct, and at the time there were almost equal men and women attending uni. I was teaching in an independent school then and it was certainly the expectation that girls applied to uni.

You are clearly a republican so why not just say so and be done with it?

There is no need for anyone marrying into the royal family to be educated to a level you deem fit, or to work in a way you think is appropriate, and your example of the queen and Diana is silly. It was never going to cause a revolution and history has now found the Queen less 'guilty' and the Great British Public rather silly for expecting her to wear her heart on her sleeve and grieve to order.

So it can't be a very demanding job if you have the time and emotional energy to spend on this forum.

Really. Is there any need for such pettiness?

The money is merely a trapping and I bet many of them would rather live a normal life than be on show for the rest of their lives- and the fodder for forums like this- than have all the money in the world.
The money is merely a trapping? tell that to the homeless, jobless and destitute. The monarchy could cease what they're doing tomorrow but they wouldn't, because they love the money and all the privilege, as did princess Margaret who prefered the opulent and privileged lifestyle rather than marry the love of her life.

If you envy them then I think you lack imagination as to what their lives are like. I wouldn't want it at all. Its wrong to assume envy is a reason to disagree with the absurdity of a royal family. There are many people who are anti monarchy, I doubt that envy is the reason. I wouldn't want their lifestyle either but Kate Middleton certainly did, she had years to know what she was getting in to.

Regardless of Diana's educational standards she had no need to go to university. Few of her ilk did.

This shows your ignorance. The school in which I taught had a prince, a princess and royal family from overseas as pupils.
They all expected to benefit from higher education.

You can't make sweeping statements about the upper classes like Diana's family, saying they didn't go to university as there was no need. Many did- you ust don't know about them.

My ignorance Pink? Righto.

I said this pages back. Back THEN fewer of her ilk went (only 15% of the whole population did at the time - girls of Diana's social standing did finishing school usually or did undemanding jobs to fill some time) but nowadays even Beatrice and Eugenie went to university.

Who in Diana's family and friends went to university then? Please enlighten me as you seem to know so much. The boys maybe went but I've asked you before about your statement about which of her friends went.

i was teaching in an independent school then and girls were expected to go to uni - yes, that's a really good example pink of a cross section of society