To dislike "Radical Feminism"

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I've got nothing against feminists that fight for womens rights and genuinely want the best the best for everyone and don't hate anyone, but "RadFems" tend to be full of bitterness and hatred. And I'm not just talking about kids, these are high profile, intelligent women with power and influence. Do you think it's unreasonable to dislike something where most people think men are inherantly evil and to be feared? Or do you think their hatred is fair and we should respect them for their good work in trying to make humans hate eath other even more?

Like, I said, I have nothing against Feminism, it's done a lot of great work down the years and still does, but "Rad Fem" and "Feminism" are too completly different things in my opinion. Is this a wrong conclusion?

AIBU?

The entire radfem group held a big collective meeting and said "Yeah, we totes don't want Ego here"? That must have been an awfully large meeting.

Do you think it's unreasonable to dislike something where most people think men are inherantly evil and to be feared? Or do you think their hatred is fair and we should respect them for their good work in trying to make humans hate eath other even more?
"Rad Fem" and "Feminism" are too completly different things in my opinion. Is this a wrong conclusion?

These are the questions by the OP.
Do you Ego have answers to those questions?

I'll have to say that as much as I think that it's possible that some people feel they are in the wrong body (with the wrong gender) - possible because I haven't experienced it so I don't know first hand - your attitude here would probably make me exclude you from any feminist meeting. Probably any meeting. Because you couldn't discuss the feminist aspect, are aggressive and chose instead to push your own agenda (that I would support in other circumstances, to a point) thus effectively preventing any other discussion (although others me to may also be at fault for engaging).

And in the same vein as I wouldn't possibly know what transgender people go through inside or growing up, you, being raised a male, don't know what women go through growing up. If I had reason to believe from past experience that you'd go and tell us how it is being a woman, when your past experience is different, and drown the discussion, then I wouldn't really want you derailing the meeting.
On the other hand, at a feminist meeting, I'd welcome anyone who wanted to work towards the same goals. (Taking care that they wouldn't take too much place from the main interested, ciswomen).

I think you'll probably find that the proportion of people who don't accept or have difficulty with transgender is not that different among radfems and other sectors of the population.

But it's still true that you don't know how it is to grow up a woman, you still don't know what is like to be a woman in a full woman body with all that comes with it.
Just as we couldn't possibly know how it is to grow transgender or be in a body that doesn't conform to the gender we identify with. And we don't want discussions about what about 50% of the population go through and aim for, to be replaced by discussions about what a much smaller percentage go through.
Imagine ciswomen going to transgender meetings and pushing their agenda, replacing specific transgender discussions.
Or have transvestites go to transgender meetings and say they know exactly what you go through.

What would you want to contribute to a feminist meeting?

I think that is key to understanding whether you should be in the meeting or not.

Ego I wouldn't want to go to a feminist meeting that let trans women in because ultimately trans orthodoxy is harmful.

Also I was thinking about the word radical last night and how its applied, the black panthers were radical and labeled as dangerous, harmful and subversive.

If you look at their demands an awful lot of them are fairly mainstream.

thinkprogress.org/culture/2015/09/23/3704132/how-the-black-panthers-ideology-became-mainstream/

DO you think you've done what you said on this thread, Ego?
(I have no back story with you and I won't check past threads)

Did you come here to discuss approaches to feminism or simply to say that one group excludes trans? Surely you realise that you've managed to drown the discussion about approaches to feminism.
Do you think the trans issue is a feminist issue? And how?

This is a thread and it's not constrained by whatever topic it's on.
You haven't answered my questions.

Do you not think biological women should be allowed to meet without trans women?

So you are interested in going to radfem meetings so you can listen and learn, but if radfems are having a discussion online, you will deliberately disrupt it with your own agenda?

Oh. Kaaaaaaayyyyy.

Ego, what exactly would you like us to do here? The central pillar of feminism, the bit that holds the rest of it up, is the understanding of gender as an externally imposed hierarchy. That worldview is consistent, logical, and coherent. It makes a great deal of sense to an awful lot of people to view the world in this way. Would you like us to stop viewing gender as something externally imposed? Because that's the crux of it: you feel your gender is innate; I feel mine is imposed upon me. Would you like me to stop noticing and feeling oppressed by the myriad ways gender is inflicted on me?

Because if I answer, then that opens up accusations of derailing and making it about me

You already have earlier on.

I don't think asking how you think trans can be a feminist issue is about you.

I think you've made your point ego. I know very little about this but even I get the fact that you don't feel unreasonable to dislike radical feminism.

Time to move on maybe?