To think tha more than one carb for dinner is unnecessary (and will probably make you fat if done regularly)

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Just back from a friends and had a very interesting debate over dinner.

We all had homemade pizza and garlic bread which was bloody lovely but I made a comment about having a "carb on carb" meal to be met with blank stares... I explained further and not one person seemed to think there was anything odd about eating so many carbs at once.

There were 6 of us and I am the only fat one.

Half of the group said they have more than one carb with dinner "quite often" examples were jacket spuds served with Lasagne, some type of bread with pasta dishes and curry with rice and Naan - one friend has very posh bread on the table with every evening meal

We're all in our 30's, mostly have kids and jobs so no time for excessive gym attendance.

AIBU to think they are all talking utter shite?

Garlic bread tastes nice though.
I might have spaghetti on toast for tea after reading this.

Yes primal, if I make bread, garlic or otherwise, it's usually with some kind of veg heavy soup in the winter :)

Metabolism doesn't make much difference. Let's say person a needs 5k calories a day, and person b needs 1k. If they eat more than that, they'll gain weight, because they are eating more than they need. It's like filling a car with petrol. It doesn't matter how many gallons the tank needs, the simple fact is that if you put in more petrol than the tank holds, they'll be an overflow.

I eat shit loads. A fast metabolism isn't the reason I stay skinny. I stay skinny because however large my portions are, I only eat what I need. I really don't think 'oh fuck it I'm on the thin side so I can eat this'. I think 'I'm hungry, I need to eat'. Otherwise I just don't think about what I could eat, or might eat, or whether I should eat. It's a different thought process that keeps me thin, not my metabolism.
Activity levels/ muscle mass/ lifestyle are the physical differences that effect weight between me and every 'I gain weight looking at a biscuit' person I've ever met. And the fact I've never followed stupid fad diets, or yo yo dieted. They are far more responsible for my fast metabolism, than it being just the way I was born.

My DH has bought into this no carbs no sugar diets. He is clinically obese, has been eating pork, eggs and cucumber (don't even ask!) for 9 months now, has lost very little weight very slowly and is obsessed with my sugar addiction which is apparently a bad example to our DCs. I am thin, pre DCs even underweight with a BMI at 17 but now doing better with breastfeeding, and I eat small portions of everything constantly. Yesterday I ate for example, yogurt and honey for breakfast, cake for brunch, pasta with tomatoe sauce and cucumber and ice cream for lunch, peaches, apples and candy floss for snack and prawn risotto and chocolate bar for dinner.

Needless to say the no carbs/sugar thing is raising my hackles!

Missfit do you like the taste of what you eat or do you just eat to fuel up ? Food would be pretty dull if you cant enjoy what you are eating.

Booboostwo, if your DH was really only eating pork, eggs and cucumber (sounds appalling) he would have lost weight. He can't be just eating that.

It is LOW carbing, not NO carbing. I bet I eat more veg than most people on this thread. No one needs refined sugar.

There is no reason to target her for her weight. I dont think she was trying to be rude either at the meal just striking up conversation that obviously interests her. Carb on carbs are more normal than you'd think. I think the no double carb thing is just some stupid celeb diet thing.

Controlled laboratory studies have shown some people (usually overweight) underestimate their calorie intake by 1,000+ cals per day, whereas others underestimate.
Also, someones estimates may switch around if they change diet composition drastically.
So "free-living" surveys are very inexact.

However, it would cost millions to conduct long inpatient studies and it's difficult to find volunteers to be locked up in a metabolic ward for months.

So, reliable lab studies are small-scale and short-term.

All studies to date show that calorie intake is dominant in weight, but how much people choose to eat is thought to be controlled more by the brain, as well as palatability and availability of food.

Overweight people have a much higher chance of being insulin-resistant, so less able to handle carbs.

Overeating Study
Well-known lab study in
[[http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/62/1/19.long
Am J Clin Nutrition]] where Horton et al overfed lean & obese subjects by 50% for 14 days, by adding excess fat or carbohydrate to the diet.

After a 4-week break, each person was overfed the macronutrient they had not received the first time (randomized crossover design).
Lean subjects gained a bit more body fat from fat than from carbs, but the reverse for obese subjects, see chart 1.

btw, Obese subjects gained more than lean because 50% excess means more calories for the obese.

Maintenance Study
In Am J Clin Nutrition Leibel et al fed subjects their individual maintenance calories, but hugely varied fat:carb ratio for constant protein.
The range was 10% fat & 75% carbs to 70% fat & 15% carbs.
Subjects weight hardly varied over time.
e.g. chart 2 for this woman shows weight remains within 1kg range over a 3 month trial.

mrsjay I'm a fairly plain eater to be honest. Don't need sugar in or on everything

abraid yeah pizza WITH chips is so un-Italian. They have chips ON the pizza . (Patatine e wurstel) I'm a double carber (thin and also functionally anoretic) and struggled with two WHOLE carby meals in Italy - either at two diff times of the day, or at the same meal.

All these weird foodie rules are shocking to me as an anoretic, they sound like things I invent when I'm in full relapse. I've sat opposite overweight dieters shaking and begging me to eat more than half thr pizza we're sharing, people crushing their food like I used to in in-patient.

It's worrying and upsetting. All the self-flagellating and "sin foods" and the religiousness of it all, I hate it. I hate it all.

Well it's common sense mainly isn't it? Processed 'food' which is full of crap will not do you any favours! It's quite alarming how much sugar is stuffed into everyday foods. I'd worry about that more than about the people who conciously cut them out of their lives!

I'd hate to have made a lot of effort to cook for people then one starts discussing the meal's unhealthy qualities. The only thing you should say is, 'Thank you host. This is delicious'
And calories in calories out. People have different metabolic rates and you just have to adjust accordingly. I am fat at the moment due to eating too many calories for my body to burn off.

Eating food is/should be enjoyable the naughty food people are ridiculous oo this is naughty but im going to eat it anyway the world has gone bonkers it is just food eat carbs dont eat carbs it really is up to the individual but a bit of garlic bread if you fancy it really isnt the end of the world.

I'd rather go for a run (a few hours) after a big meal of garlic bread than after a big meal of nothing.

This thread just makes me crave garlic bread.

I love curry, rice, naan, bombay potatoes & a few poppadoms! I'd only eat like that on rare occasions when I'm eating out, I'd never cook and sit down to a spread like that at home though.

Normally, I eat a large proportion of veg, not too much overly processed food & avoid anything with 'diet' or 'low fat' on the label, I also get a reasonable amount of exercise. I have no trouble maintaining a healthy weight and, if I have had too many meals out, just cut back portion sizes for a bit.

The idea of double (or quadruple) carb would never normally occur to me.

me too, Bunny, and I don't even like bread very much!

Bread is my weakness, trout - I went for hash brown fries instead!

Yabu. I'll never understand the obsession with what other people eat. And it was a homemade meal. They probably thought you were rude too.

I am now eating pizza and garlic bread. Thanks thread!

I'm a believer in everything in moderation. Any diet that bans one particular food type makes me suspicious. Having said that with the exception of a Sunday roast (roasties, mash & yorkshires) I can't think of many other meals where I'd ever eat 2 or more carbs together. It would just be way too stodgy & filling.

Haven't read the whole thread but I agree with you OP, therefore YANBU.

When I first met my French husband I served him lasagne and jacket potatoes.

He looked at me in complete awe and said 'i will never eat all that, it's two meals!'. We just had salad with it, which felt weird at first but actually makes sense as carbs are just converted into sugar.

The whole carb/carb thing is definitely a British thing - steak and salad, lamb chops and cauliflower cheese etc is a normal meal in other countries, spuds, bread and pasta are the norm for every meal in the UK.

To be honest I'm surprised that so many people do eat double carbs. It would never occur to me to serve chips or a baked potato with something like lasagne.

What is anoretic? (Sorry if that is a typo for anorexic)

Saw the friend who double carbed me earlier and she assures me she didn't find my musings about double carbs weird or rude or ungrateful.... although as I say I did bring it up after stuffing my face on pizza and garlic bread and pecan pie!!

As for being fat, I am definitely out of my personal weight comfort zone. I was a size 10 pre baby but I'm not massively obese now. I am a short arse though so don't carry my weight well.