To be annoyed about BBC bias regarding the Hungary refugee/migrant situation?

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Here is the original footage; apparently, when this was shown on the BBC and some other news outlets, the men's cries of "Allahu Akhbar" as they threw rocks were edited out.

I don't know exactly what the solution to the migrant/refugee crisis is; the west will certainly have to accept some, like it or not. But can we please see unbiased news footage so we can make up our minds for ourselves? This is blatant manipulation.

Where are the Syrian Christians then?

I did read an article about the people who are left behind in Mosul. Alot of the migrants are economic and not necessarily impoverished. I think Europe is being invaded and if we haven't already, we are importing an army who will eventually rise up against us and we won't be free to practice our own beliefs. Just don't understand why we have to allow it.

www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-22270455

Good overview. Christians have been squeezed out of the Middle East for many years now (only a century ago they comprised large minorities in Egypt, Turkey, modern day Syria, Iraq and Lebanon.) They are not fashionable victims du jour (Christians ugh- like the Weasboro Baptist Church, all 43 of them!) so tend to be ignored.

The comparison of the current migrants to Jews in the 30s is really offensive. Jews had lived in Europe for many centuries, it was their home. They didn't try to convert anyone, they integrated, many of them were extremely successful. Many Jews fought for Germany in the first world war and considered themselves patriots.They were the victims of pure ethnic hatred from their own countrymen

On the other hand, what I see right now is people fleeing shitholes of their own making. Harsh I know, but while most of them aren't in immediate danger, they're fleeing ethnic and religious strife, poverty caused by religious superstition, overpopulation and and cultures that do not value civic mindedness, education, free speech or equality for women. They have recreated their home environment in too many European cities for us to be naive about the inevitable result of such a huge rapid influx. No one I know wants this so how can it be happening? There's going to be war if it's allowed to continue.

Totally agree Shins. Also the powers that be have silenced the people here so we are not allowed to criticise or question their immigration policies so everyone treads on eggshells

certainly has potential to get very ugly :(

we are not allowed to criticise or question their immigration policies so everyone treads on eggshells

I hear and read criticism left right and centre, I dont see people being silenced here

the BBC has always been biased and anyone who has a difference of opinion to what they want will be shouted down edited out
a case of we will tell you what you will be upset/angry/shocked etc about

Listen to the news now with the lib dem retteric.

Orla Geirin (sp?), onsite, on one of the refugees tonight:

"Who knows what he had to go through to get here?"

Well who knows, indeed, but surely the reporting of facts rather than speculation might be more useful?

At least we did find out from a quick questioning of some remarkably polite, English-speaking refugees that they were all in that group from Pakistan.

retteric :o

I think the eggshell treading is abating a bit. Certainly the Guardian isn't moderating the comments below their articles as heavily as they used to though they maintain their absurd contradictory stances (left wing but pro open borders. Feminist and pro gay rights while bizarrely sucking up to misogynists and homophobes because their religion gives them a free pass). The MSM is so off, but in the digital era the ordinary people can't be censored all the time.

For me the powerlessness comes when I see these unaccountable unelected powers dictating to sovereign nations, bullying and threatening them. I feel like I can say what I want (so far) but can't do anything.

I wonder if it's bougeuar retteric?

Why can't the USA take some , so much space and they don't entertain the nonsense we have to endure in the UK

I think immigration policies are very much criticised here - by UKIP!

I was putting forward the view that displaced people do not always go home if they feel they have settled into their newly adopted country. It is also ridiculous for everyone to just comment on the BBC's reporting. ITV News and others have been just the same. Remember the young boy in the sea? Worldwide coverage. The Lib Dem leader's speech today was more of the same. It is populist and easy to get support. In the same way Germany welcomed Syrians until they discovered their neighbours could not cope with the numbers. Now they want to close their borders. The small numbers we are allowing has been widely criticised but at least we might be able to do reasonable checks on people.

The BBC has just interviewed Pakistani young men seeking work in Germany. Why are they mixed up with the Syrians? Is there fighting in Pakistan? It is a total mess.

Apologies Suzanne rhetoric, definitely bourgeois :)

So in amongst the thousands and thousands of migrants/refugees there will be some pricks, big deal. I don't get it, so you want the small minority of bad behaviour to be shown to get a less biased view? But from what I can see it IS the minority (and often the bad behaviour is from people pushed into awful situations we can never imagine being in ourselves), so isn't it fairer to give a better representation of the majority?

Betty, the Church Times has been reporting from the Barnabas Trust which has people on the ground in Syria. The U.K. is going to be taking people from the UN run camps. But the Barnabas trust says these camps are full of Islamists and it is too dangerous for Christians or Yazidis to be in them, they have had to go into hiding in friends houses or via other underground means. So it certainly appears that we will not be helping the most at risk if we take from the camps and may actually be taking some of the people who pose the biggest risks to us.

I doubt that many Christians or Yazidis are coming to the EU via the other routes either. ISIS have made it very clear they control the routes out and want to flood Europe with Muslims. Most of the refugees coming in by boat or on foot will have been allowed to leave by ISIS and as they are intent on destroying non-Muslims I see no reason why they would grant them the mercy of running away.

And there have been reported attacks on Christans trying to get to the EU such as the men thrown overboard.

And it is interesting that no media outlet has found much to report on in the way of Christian refugees, because you would certainly expect that would be an easy way for sympathy to be drummed up. I suspect that is because there are hardly any. Because I think ISIS are controlling who can get out, and even if they do get out they know that if they travelled with lawless groups of ME and African Muslims they'd probably murder them.

There was a brief clip on sky news earlier of some people being offloaded from a boat in Italy, they were all africans, seems like the whole world is jumping on the bandwagon. Where will it all end?

Lemon, it's the numbers. Even if only a minority were violent, it doesn't matter. They aren't legitimate refugees and most of them come from backward cultures that have little to offer Europe with its 20 million unemployed. They aren't wanted by the vast majority of Europeans. Don't their wishes count?

Booyaka, that's sad to hear.

t I love Europe and its extraordinarily rich history and culture, its scientific achievements, its many languages, but most of all the way it, over centuries, evolved past religious superstition and ignorant tribalism to create secular democracies with welfare states, a free press, equality for men and women. These things are so precious and hard-won and fragile- I'm fucking livid at the thought of them being given away

Indeed.

I also worry about importing swathes of violent men who are unused to the concepts of satire, questioning and debating sacred cows, treating male and female students equally and without segregation, and respecting the beliefs of others.

I have spent time in these regions. I have observed how people behave. I have, as a guest of that country, respected local custom and beliefs.

I worry that courtesy may not be returned.

But I worry much more at those posters here who have no empirical experience of these regions making emotive knee-jerk pronouncements and slamming those who advise caution as racist.

I have too Olivepip and some of the greatest "islamophobes" I know are Muslim women who've managed to escape their oppressive families and societies. They look on in disbelief at naive Europeans painting their co-religionists as victims who need to be defended and appeased at every turn. They would like a bit more support from their privileged sisters who take their freedom for granted rather than wanky columns in the Guardian about how wearing a niqab is "subverting the male gaze" or some codswallop.

I wonder where all the people who called me names on other threads are now, maybe they see that I'm not so unhinged after all.

OlivePip, Shins agree with you both.

Shabby as far as calling you names go I wonder if any of them were on the thread in about May when a woman was asking if she should allow her DD to go on holiday to Tunisia? Anybody who suggested it might not be the wisest or safest move got shouted down as a hysterical racist. By some of exactly the same people who are bandying around accusations of hysteria and racism now.

And look how well that advice to go to Tunisia for your summer hols worked out eh?

Funnily enough I haven't seen any of them around lately, but I would be interested to hear their views now.