To be annoyed about BBC bias regarding the Hungary refugee/migrant situation?

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www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/video/video-117161.html

Here is the original footage; apparently, when this was shown on the BBC and some other news outlets, the men's cries of "Allahu Akhbar" as they threw rocks were edited out.

I don't know exactly what the solution to the migrant/refugee crisis is; the west will certainly have to accept some, like it or not. But can we please see unbiased news footage so we can make up our minds for ourselves? This is blatant manipulation.

I suggest the live streaming rt.com have been doing. No editing or voiceover. I saw the same events disgracefully edited on Sky and BBC with the violence of the migrants edited out to make it look like the Hungarian police's actions were unprovoked. Also emphasis on the very few children.

Scremersford makes some very good points. I too have been thinking about this.

Seriously what will happen to the old folk, the women, the children? How can ISIS be fought or in any way discouraged if those who might oppose them have all gone? How difficult is it going to be to keep the country running without all these people?I don't blame them for running but to leave behind all the most vulnerable?

ISIS is a very real threat but any discussion of how it might be dealt with is put into the shade by the refugee crisis which has taken on a life of its own devoid of any real context.

Maybe there aren't many isis left in Syria now.

I agree cornflowers why are they reporting in this way

The BBC and other media rely on instant images: a child, a huddle of women, a water cannon. Of course everyone will respond to that. It sells advertising as others have said upthread, (not a BBC concern but they are always mindful of viewing figures and have to compete)

One factor might be the fear of legal action?

They are terrified of any legal challenge so almost never say anything that might be construed as negative or unfairly biased and instigate legal action. If they simply "don't show" a violent young man hurling a rock there can be no challenge. There cannot be a real legal case made out of showing a baby or a kindly interview with a young family. There could be if they were to show someone doing something that might portray them in a negative light or somehting criminal. So they don't. They will give poiticians a heavily scripted "hard time" because that is part of the unspoken contract between news providers and politicians - but nobody else.

We've just come back from travelling in the Balkans, and I will never believe the BBC news or Guardian coverage of anything again. I'm not saying that there isn't a problem (as there obviously is) but you'd think that it was the end of the world as we know it from the BBC news and Guardian coverage.
We travelled by train from Belgrade to Zagreb then Munich, then home. We did see a small camp of asylum seekers/migrants in a park in Belgrade (80% young men fwiw) and maybe a family or 2 on the trains, but that's it.
The media wants us to be scared and this isn't an issue that can be solved with that attitude. I think that they have behaved irresponsibly.

Channel 4 clearly showed a young bloke saying his dream was to get a British woman pregnant This was on The Lorry Jumpers a few weeks ago.

aren't we being a little bourgoise about the "bougeuar"?

I agree the Radio 4 coverage seems more factual and less emotive.

They had a panel on PM last night and one of the panel was explaining that the reason the crisis is so bad now is that many have given up thought/hope of going back to Syria - people tend to stay in regional refugee camps if they think they may be able to return home, but move on from those camps looking for a permanent place to settle once they start to consider returning home as no longer a viable option. Then Germany issued a statement saying they expected to receive 500,000 refugees and the mass movement began.

I am not seeing many women/children in the refugee images - where are they? have they been left behind to fend for themselves? Is this mostly about men?

BBC news is awful - I always have to Google the issues afterwards to find explanations/details. They dont provide enough facts.

aren't we being a little bourgoise about the "bougeuar"?

imo it's bourgeois of you to suggest that others are being bourgeois about the bougeuar

I often feel that the BBC is aimed at children

me too, I find their documentaries un-watchable because they seem to be aimed at children, the presenters have a style of fake wonderment and overdone enthusiasm

that applies to most telly though

I am not seeing many women/children in the refugee images - where are they? have they been left behind to fend for themselves? Is this mostly about men?

perhaps they feel the women and children are no longer important, the best chance of a better life is to leave them behind in order to fulfil the ultimate ambition of getting a British woman pregnant

I am not seeing many women/children in the refugee images - where are they? have they been left behind to fend for themselves? Is this mostly about men?
Perhaps the journey is thought to be too dangerous for young children so the women have to stay behind in the camps until the man finds somewhere safe for them.

I saw a Syrian man interviewed on Sky, he'd arrived in Sweden and had to chose whether to apply for asylum there or go to Finland. He decided to go to Finland as there'd be a shorter waiting time before his wife and children could join him.
A lot of the younger men on their own are likely to be single.

The violence was much more apparent on Aljazeera's coverage too.

YANBU OP.

Every single day on BBC Breakfast there is a new propaganda piece about saintly migrants and the even more saintly people who are helping them. I try not to watch news these days as it is nothing more than leftist propaganda.

The videos being pumped into our homes are carefully selected, and footage such as this will never be shown:

Our grandchildren will curse us for our stupidity.

The news reporters seem to be treading on eggshells, scared to say anything to upset anyone. There was an interview on Sky, talking about the EU quotas with a Syrian man just arrived in Germany. He said if he was allocated to another country he'd go back to Syria, as if it was a threat.
The obvious response to this would be "So it's not that bad where you came from?" but the reporter didn't say anything.

The young men are fleeing Syria to avoid conscription! They are also the most likely to get a job so if they do not have the money for the family to travel, the young men go alone ! What would you do? Of course there is no-one to fight Isis because that means fighting for the Government. They do not want to do that. It makes leaving a slightly easier decision if you have no inclination to fight. Of course Syria will be a basket case. The men might go back. As there will not be anything to go back to, it seems unlikely. Did the Russian Jews go back to Russia, or the few remaining German Jews go back to Germany? No, it was best to stay with their new life. It will be the same for Syrians and Afghans and everyone from Africa that is escaping poverty.

Why is everyone going on about Syria? According to Frontex and the UN, 80% of the people bullying their way through Europe are NOT Syrian!

The obvious response to this would be "So it's not that bad where you came from?" but the reporter didn't say anything

he doesn't need to say it, it's what everyone watching will be thinking
the writing is on the wall

The whole thing is totally bias. I think we will end up like the Balkans.

I'm so scared and angry about this. I heard Obama and Merkel agreed yesterday that the EU had to find a way of placing 120, 000 migrants (the absolute tip of the iceberg) and I thought when the fuck did anyone in Europe vote for him?! It's not fashionable to say it but I love Europe and its extraordinarily rich history and culture, its scientific achievements, its many languages, but most of all the way it, over centuries, evolved past religious superstition and ignorant tribalism to create secular democracies with welfare states, a free press, equality for men and women. These things are so precious and hard-won and fragile- I'm fucking livid at the thought of them being given away by Merkel and her corporatist bully boys who want us all fighting each other for the crumbs while labour laws, environmental policy, the welfare state are chipped away. (Look up TTIP or what that dick Peter Sutherland's been saying). We will be sucked into the third world at this rate, the numbers will be beyond imagining unless something is done.

We will be sucked into the third world at this rate
strong sentiments, and shared my many I imagine

shins I'm glad someone else is seeing what I'm seeing, I'm scared and angry too. I also feel powerless, especially that so many people are closing their minds to what is really happening.

www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/migrants-are-disguising-themselves-as-syrians-to-gain-entry-to-europe/2015/09/22/827c6026-5bd8-11e5-8475-781cc9851652_story.html?tid=sm_fb

The difference is, MillyMolly, that if you are talking about the experiences that the Russian or German Jews had the comparable people in Syria would be the Christians and Yazidis, but there seems to be very few of them and there are reports that they are attacked as they try to travel, in the camps or on boats.

If Christians or Yazidis moved here, like most German or Russian Jews I would expect them not to go back to a place where their fellow countrymen had turned on them and wanted to kill and destroy them for their religion, of course not.

But the vast majority of these migrants are exactly the people who are responsible for the violence in Syria. Muslims. It's just not comparable because they are not the persecuted group, they are the persecutors.

As a comparison, it would be like before WW2 us encouraging mass immigration from Nazi Germany as long as people professed to just be 'moderate Nazis' who were just in favour of a bit of book burning and Jew bashing but weren't very keen on the whole holocaust thing (which in reality is what most Germans were). We certainly wouldn't have won WW2 if we'd done that.

Christians are largely accepted to be the most persecuted religious group in the world right now. And it's Muslims doing the persecution.

I think anybody who doesn't realise that sort of violence is being imported here is unbelievably naive.