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Feminists storm 'Should Wife-beating be Allowed?' debate in France and get attacked!

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Sunsoo · 16/09/2015 13:04

And the response is sickening:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/16/femens-topless-condescension-towards-muslim-women-only-helps-sexism

I cannot believe people think that these women are just as bad as the men whom attacked them!

Also, why the fudge was this debate even allowed to happen? Violence is illegal in France. End of discussion!

I actually might stop reading the Gruan since they've published this article.

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KanyeWestPresidentForLife · 18/09/2015 09:03

Comment from the Graun article:

^Like at least one other person I saw in the comments here, I created an account just to respond to this article.

I've been irritated by the liberal response to Islam for some time now. I know nothing about Harry Potter, but Maajid Nawaz's term, "the Voldemort effect," comparing the west's response to Islam to a character that, according to him, is evil yet cannot be named, seems the perfect analogy.

I'm half Iranian and because of that I seem to be the only person who can say the slightest negative thing about the state of Islam today without immediately being called a racist. I have, of course, been called a racist, but this claim fades away once I question how it makes sense to call me a racist when I'm talking about a religion and not a race, and I mention that my father's entire family are muslim. The conversation fades into nothing when I further explore why my background matters at all.

The victim blaming response to Charlie Hebdo strongly polarized my opinion against much of the left, and The Guardian's reporting of it strongly lowered my opinion of them. They did, unlike many other news outlets, post the cover of the magaize. Smaller than a postage stamp on the page... but posted nonetheless.

Now this.

I happened to see the Femen incident on the rather heinous Breitbart, where I sometimes look to see conservatives have to say about things. I saw nothing from the Guardian immediately after it happened. Then a day later this moronic article pops up from this Miss Cleo silhouette who claims to be an expert on "Hislam."

This entire article is moronic and digusting but I take the most offense to her claim that these women were "forcefully removed" from the venue, when the video clearly shows them being beaten like gang members wearing the wrong color in the wrong part of Los Angeles. The intent of the people in the video was not to remove them but, obviously, to beat them to a pulp.

Perhaps we'll soon hear from Jessica Valenti that the muslims in the video, despite being part of the second largest religion in the world, are a highly oppressed class of people throughout the world who simply lashed out against these oppressors and couldn't control themselves because of the hundreds of years of white, european boots that have been pressed against their necks.

More likely, though, is that she'll say nothing until a white man spreads his legs too wide on a train somewhere and someone posts a high quality video to Youtube of him nonchalantly closing his eyes as he dozes off in front of the many women on the train he just oppressed.

Really. The Guardian, due to their financial structure, should be the best news outlet in the world. And I used to think they were. But this identity politics nonsense has devolved from irritating to dangerous.

These women were beaten for showing their breasts and shouting a few words into a microphone.

Let's report on that.

I've yet to see anyone at the Guardian come to the defense of poor (this is sarcasm) Bernie Sanders after he was brutally offended and his dignity was stolen from him on stage in front of a crowd of people by the Black Lives Matter movement.^

hackmum · 18/09/2015 09:07

Thefitfatty: "As for pre-Taliban Afghanistan that was the result of the Russian occupation. Women outside of the main cities were not allowed to dress that way or be educated. Sorry you all need to read history books before jumping on bandwagons"

On the contrary. The Soviet invasion was in 1979. Women in Afghanistan had a good deal of freedom before the Soviet invasion. Why not google "Images women Afghanistan 1970s"? Oh hang on, I've done it for you:

www.google.co.uk/search?q=pictures+afghanistan+women+1970s&client=safari&rls=en&biw=1324&bih=814&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CCwQ7AlqFQoTCOOKicuPgMgCFYtWFAodofIDDw#imgrc=rboal9HH1IKzaM%3A

Here's a suggestion: if you're going to patronise other people about their lack of knowledge, perhaps you should inform yourself first. Otherwise you risk making yourself look stupid.

TwistInMySobriety · 18/09/2015 09:07

Your false moral equivalence is redundant considering that other than a few isolated fundamentalist churches preaching that guff, the majority of the Christian world doesn't practice those teachings anymore

I wouldn't be so sure when a serious contender for the Republican nomination for US president feels free to tell people God's law is above human law: "the Supreme Court is not the Supreme Branch, it's the Supreme Court. And it certainly is not the Supreme Being. It cannot overrule the laws of nature or the laws of nature's God" (Mick Huckabee).

hackmum · 18/09/2015 09:11

Here's another good picture: women in Iran protesting for the right to wear what they want, just before the hijab is imposed in 1979:

www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/sep/03/hengameh-golestans-best-photograph-iranian-women-rebel-against-the-1979-hijab-law

hackmum · 18/09/2015 09:32

This is also a good read about what it was like for women in Afghanistan pre-Taliban. They were given the vote in the 1920s, apparently:

dangerousminds.net/comments/it_didnt_always_suck_to_be_a_woman_in_afghanistan

Bambambini · 18/09/2015 09:52

I've read such articles before. It's unbelievable to think that in the middle of the 20th century, these countries were dragged back to women in Afghanistan being denied an education, forced to cover up etc, similar with Iran in being covered and forced separation of the sexes. Unbelievable but unfortunately true.

Scremersford · 18/09/2015 10:27

Kanye thanks for your post. I learned a lot from it. I really wanted to learn some things from posters on here who are happy living in Sharia law, but all I saw were attacks on an entire continent, and some not very believable and not particularly intelligent or well reasoned defensive posting.

StrangeLookingParasite · 18/09/2015 13:36

My husband is Muslim, he doesn't beat me.

The point in this instance is less whether or not he does, as the Koran and Islam gives him permission to. So he can, if he wants to, while remaining perfectly in accord with his religion.

StrangeLookingParasite · 18/09/2015 13:41

Sadly, the poster doesn't want to help Muslim women. They appear on every thread that mentions Islam, honestly it's like bingo, purely to sneer and condemn Muslims, especially Muslim women. There is a clear agenda and superiority complex. Predictably played out yet again on this thread.
MM your militant and extreme opinions only further alienate you from being anywhere close to claiming you are supporting women. Belittling women, accusing them of not knowing their own minds and being outright liars is anti woman and misogynistic.

You don't know who she is, do you, Tiptops?

TittyBiskwits · 18/09/2015 13:56

kanye that's a brilliant post, thank you. I think you've articulated my feelings on the matter far better than I ever could have.

As for mistressmia I enjoy reading her posts (if you could call it that) and if iirc, she was raised as a Muslim so she does have experience on the matter.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 18/09/2015 14:02

Most Muslims are able to see that the Koran was written or came about at a time when life was very different as most Christians do with the bible and they adapt their life they accept progression when still practising their religion they follow the core beliefs

Like with anyone who wants to gain power or cause harm they will excuse their actions she made me do it, the law says I can, it is written in the bible/Koran

I do know any good man who thinks it's ok to hit women. I know of men who will use an excuse to harm others and for some it is religion others it is they made me do it, I can't control my actions the excuses are the same I am not taking responsibility for my actions

TwistInMySobriety · 18/09/2015 15:47

The point in this instance is less whether or not he does, as the Koran and Islam gives him permission to. So he can, if he wants to, while remaining perfectly in accord with his religion.

The Bible sanctions some pretty unsavoury practices too TBF.

Tiptops · 18/09/2015 16:17

Strange I know the poster has stated she used to be Muslim. That does not, however, make her the authority on Muslims or what the experience of being a Muslim is like for anyone else.

It certainly doesn't make her misogynistic comments about Muslim women being in a state of 'denial' about what makes them feel empowered valid.

KanyeWestPresidentForLife · 18/09/2015 16:37

I can't take credit for that post. It was written by someone else on the Guardian website. But it was so absolutely brilliant I reposted it here. I did say at the top it was a comment from the Graun, sorry if there was confusion, but I am not the original author.

Bambambini · 18/09/2015 18:19

I think mistressmia's posts are interesting, knowledgable and thought provoking. I think she has every right to post as she does.

Grazia1984 · 18/09/2015 19:09

Absolutely. Luckily we don't like in a Muslim state where there is no little free speech like Saudi.

Atenco · 18/09/2015 19:32

Oh dear Bambambini, MistressMia helps to reinforce your prejudices, that is her aim in life.

Bambambini · 18/09/2015 23:42

Oh dear, Atenco - if you say so, it must be true.

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