To think an English teacher should know the correct pronunciation of Glamis?

[susannahmoodie]

As in Thane of......?

Or is it now ok to say "glam-mis"??

I wonder what French people think of Belvoir/Beauchamp/Beaulieu.

It would be quite funny to visit some where in France spelt 'Quiteaniceview' and be told it was pronounced 'Keenoo' or something.

merry.

I studied Don Quixote at University. My tutor was English but a world- renowned scholar of the Spanish Golden Age and she also called him. "Kwick- sutt".

In fact she never referred to the book as " Don Quixote" but as " The Kwick-sutt". I believe that is the norm in ( English) academic circles.

I also studied Don Quixote at university (in the US). I have never heard anyone call it Don Kwick-sutt. But Spanish is the most common second language in the US so I think that influences the way Spanish words are spoken.

Well I am in the UK and have never heard "Kwick-sutt" only Kee - oaty.

Maybe it is an Oxford/Cambridge 'in joke' or something

No, LisbethSalander oddly enough Cambridge professors don't tend to play jokes on their students, what with having very high academic standards to uphold. Chip on your shoulder?

To be clear, the professor was not suggesting that the Spanish, in the Golden Age or otherwise, would have pronounced it "Kwick- sutt" and, indeed when she read out passages in the original (where it is spelled Quijote), she pronounced it "kee-ho tay". However the standard name of the book amongst anglophone scholars of the subject is "The Kwick-sutt".

In this line from Byron's Don Juan ( pron " Don Jew-an" by the way) you can see that it needs the " Quixote" pronounciation to scan:

" a jest, a riddle, fame through thick and thin sought!
And Socrates himself but Wisdom's Quixote?"

"I now understand why the traditional 4 year Scottish degree, with a broad underpinning in 1st year, has been so prized."

I thought Scottish students finished school at 17 rather than 18 which is the leaving age in most of Europe, meaning it's not really 4 years of post-secondary education.

"My Literature professor at university insisted on called Don Quixote "Don Quick Sote" and, when questioned, declared that she was teaching in England so she would pronounce it the "English Way." "

I remember when I was at school being told to pronounce adieu the English way, we were all pronouncing it the French way, but were told that was incorrect.

Speaking of names, I was laughed at the other day for pronouncing a French boy's name the Welsh way (in England). He has dual nationality but uses the French.

I mean dual heritage.

Well, Kee-oaty is wrong in any language!

" Chip on your shoulder? "
Jessie I was just chatting. It's a forum. "Chip on your shoulder?" is not really reasonable discourse now is it?

It would be Glarms darn sarth, but Glams if performed by 'Northern Broadside' However, sometimes if you were an early reader and read a word before you heard it spoken, it is very difficult to correct yourself of the wrong pronunciation, I have always struggled with the word anxiety, because as a child I read it as anxshetty, having heard the word anxious, so I would give her another chance and not have her sacked and hounded from the teaching profession, for such a minor slip.

My goodness me, she clearly needs to be sacked right away.....

Just reading a Perry Mason book in which there is a character called Glamis (I pronounced it wrong lol); The Case of the Duplicate Daughter.

Scottish students generally do 6 years of secondary education, same as England, and leave at 18. The difference is we don't start them in reception at 4. They have 2 years of nursery, followed by 7 years of primary. There are some strange perceptions on this thread .

When I was at school there were two years of sixth form, lower 6th and upper 6th = 7 years. Is it the same now or different?

7 years of secondary education in England - 5 years to GCSE, studying a braod range of around 10 subjects, 2 years for A level specialising in 3-4 subjects in depth (though now with the fiddly A2s mixed in, but didn't used to be til relatively recently).

In Scotland its 5 years to Highers, then you can do more Highers in year 6 or Advanced Highers. Advanced Highers are equivalent to A level, but it is possible and in fact common to get into a Scottish university without doing Advanced Highers (which used to be called Certificate of 6th Year Studies).

UCAS give an A grade Advanced Higher 130 points, and an A grade Higher 80 points.

www.ucas.com/ucas/undergraduate/getting-started/entry-requirements/tariff/tariff-tables/1021

An A* A level earns 140 UCAS points, a grade A AS level without the follow-on A level 60 points.

If you are a Scottish student who gets your offer to study for your degree based on 280 UCAS points, you might have only studied your subject to Higher level but also have 4 other Highers in totally different subjects. The breadth of your education might be better than somebody who has studied the subject to A level, but the depth will not be as great.

Scottish students who have done Advanced Highers will have studied in similar depth to A level students, but students who get into university after simply doing more Highers, either in order to make the points score or to do more subjects will not have done so at all (many do Highers in 5th year and then more highers in other subjects in 6th year, not Highers then Advanced Highers - there is no obligation to do Advanced Highers and many do not do so.)

The sytem based on getting into university after studying Highers only (not CSYS/ Advanced Highers) is what makes the 4 year degree logical.

The first year of a "school" subject like English is not as advanced as the first year of a degree from a respected university in the UK. I went to open days in Scotland and the pace and content of the first year begins at a similar level to the upper 6th, which is why (at least 25 years ago) it was very common place for students predicted 4 A level grade As including the subject they were applying to study to be offered direct entry to the second year, contingent on the A grade in the relevant A level (and As or Bs in the others).

The Scottish system has strength in continuing breadth of study for longer, but 4 year Scottish degrees are not "better" than 3 year English degrees - they do not assume the same starting point as a 3 year English degree course, at least in traditional subjects requiring a same subject A level at grade A (A* now) or sometimes minimum B for entry.

The first year of a "school" subject like English is not as advanced as the first year of a degree from a respected university in the UK.

Do you mean England where you said UK?

The first year of a "school" subject at a Scottish university might not be as challenging as at an English one for someone who's done A level- but they do have to do two other subjects - I certainly found the Greek and Astronomy I foolishly decided to take rather more than I could handle!

WHen I applied to unis from England (a billion years ago) it was direct to the second year of uni as it was accepted we'd already be a year ahead. I didn't fancy joining part way through the course so I didn't apply in the end!

Really? it certainly wasn't like that when I went in the 70s...

"Scottish students generally do 6 years of secondary education, same as England, and leave at 18."

Then why have I heard that it's common to start uni at 17 in Scotland, and also found that information on the Internet?

"The first year of a "school" subject at a Scottish university might not be as challenging as at an English one for someone who's done A level- but they do have to do two other subjects"

Traditionally a student did 3 subjects in the first year at the University of Wales as well. It doesn't make it a particularly broad education compared to other countries in Europe or the United States.