Well, there we have it: Jeremy Corbyn has just been announced the next Labour Leader

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With 59% of the vote (first round).

I've just been following the live BBC broadcast and just wanted them to get on with it.

No doubt people on both sides of the political spectrum will be overjoyed with the result.

Lulu Not twaddle. He only got the minimum number of PLP nominations because people like Margaret Becket (who has since said she was a "moron") thought it would make for a more interesting contest.

He has great support in the wider party, but almost none in the PLP. The 20 MPs is pretty much agreed among political commentators.

'Sorry, claig, you've lost me. I thought you were saying politicians were all following the same path because they went to Oxbridge's but are you actually saying that "the Establishment" (by which you mean whom?) goes out and selects people for power because they went to Oxbridge? '

Yes, they all say and do the same because the Establishment tells them to, not because they all went to Oxbridge. There is nothing in the water at Oxbridge that makes them "all the same", it is the Establishment that does. When they run out of suitable Oxbridge candidates they take people from elsewhere too, often from a private school background. Those that don't go along, don't get along and don't get promoted. They are the "rebels", they don't make it.

But now we have a 100-1 outsider who has made it and shaken the entire Establishment because they know he won't play the game because he has principles and has stuck by them for more than 40 years. That is why there is panic in elite circles now.

'Claig- will there be room for Corbyn's tanks on the Establishment's lawn, or will they just queue up behind UKIP's?'

I think Corbyn's will take over, I think he may make UKIP irrelevant. UKIP was the first charge, but it is now Labour that will take over.

The whole history of the Labour Party was the battle for the rights of working people against the attempts to stop them by the elite. It is still the same today, except that the elite took over the Labour Party and placed their private school Oxbridge people at the top in place of the original working miners etc.

Now we have gone back in time, where a real union supporting socialist has unexpectedly, shockingly beaten all three Oxbridge Labour leadership candidates and the elite are tearing their hair out as this was not supposed to happen.

The fight to improve the lot of the people is back on and Corbyn will give it his best shot.

All the elite have got against Corbyn is "divide and rule" and they will use teh press to try and create disunity among the people. Depending on how clever Corbyn's team are, Corbyn could still win.

The elite are not panicking; they are laughing out loud.

On reflection, it may be fair to give the Labour Left or the Tory Right their chance at the leadership every couple of generations, rather than always centre-left vs centre-right.
However, their must be realism, not religious hysteria, to avoid total humiliation at the GE.

Magic money pots won't do it. JC must eventually produce a properly costed economic plan, or he will be taken apart.

The best way to defend working people is to stay within the EU and e.g. end the Uk opt-out on the Working Hours Directive, which many UK workers are forced to sign.

he has certainly ruffled Nicola fishface Sturgeon's feathers I have already heard of a few SNP voters returning to labour.

Welsh-

blacksunday, I may have missed it but I don't think anything in that article says Labour could have defeated the Bill by voting against it with the SNP. I have searched to see if any Tories rebelled but have found nothing to say they did, and without Tory rebels they couldn't have brought the bill down.

Spineless: Labour MPs condemned by SNP for failing to oppose Welfare Reform Bill

Labour were in chaos this morning after the party abstained from voting against Government plans to brutally cut welfare.

Had Labour joined the SNP and five other opposition parties, the Tory plans would have have been defeated.

The Commons backed the Welfare Reform and Work Bill by 308 to 124 votes, a majority of 184. 184 Labour MPs abstained.

The SNP have claimed that they are now the real party of the opposition.

www.thenational.scot/news/spineless-labour-mps-condemned-by-snp-for-failing-to-oppose-welfare-reform-bill.5433

'JC must eventually produce a properly costed economic plan, or he will be taken apart.'

He will do and that is what they are petrified about. They already have their best Oxbridge teenage think tanks teams working on how to discredit him. So far all they have come up with is Corbyn is a "threat to national security, economic security and your family's security". That is not good enough. The public won't fall for Corbyn being portrayed as the Devil Incarnate when he offers them a better life and is such a mild-mannered decent principled man who joins people marching in rallies on their side. They will soon rumble that the Oxbridge teams are lying and that is when the panic starts.

The elite are not panicking; they are laughing out loud.

That would explain the hysterical reaction from Tory HQ sending out Anti-Corbyn propaganda on its mailing list to members:

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Claig

We clearly don't need any politicians since you obviously have all the answers to those complex questions multiple generations have struggled with for decades.

Isn't it impossible to completely cost everything? Economics is such an inexact science. Governmental budgets are nothing like household ones. The Tories cut outgoings, but the side effect of this was to depress the economy and thus lower tax income as well (as judged by comparison against other nations). So the Tories looked like they were spending less on paper, but by doing so, ended up choosing the country more.
If Corbyn spends more, but in the right areas, the economic theory is that this will have the opposite effect of stimulating growth and therefore increasing tax revenues.
I am no economist, but from what I read read this is not particularly controversial thinking.

Costing the country more, not choosing.

'We clearly don't need any politicians since you obviously have all the answers to those complex questions multiple generations have struggled with for decades.'

Exactly, mayfly66. It's not complicated, it's as clear as the nose on Pinnochio's Blair's face.

A Tory Press Officer was rumbled at a Corbyn rally last week. They are afraid.

I got that email too blacksunday. Hilarious. It's as if the EDL suddenly learned how to spell and use Photoshop.

I'm really excited by a sudden return to polarity in politics. It's great.

The Tories are shitting it. If he posed no great threat and was such a joke they would just let him get on with it an bury himself.

Ive just read elsewhere that the Labour party membership is today at its highest number since 1999. 15,000 have joined the party in the past 24 hours.
I like Corbyn, I think he is a decent bloke. Im not entirely convinced he is PM material and dont really think deep down that the Labour party will landslide to victory in 2020. I do think though that he will encourage more debate in parliament and make it bloody difficult for the Tories from his Oppositional Front Bench.
The Tories only won the 2015 by 12 seats, thats an incredibly fragile hold on Government anyway- to be opposed at everything you do will make the next 5 years very interesting for politics if nothing else.

I'm hoping JC and his team actually will be a lot more realistic than the dreamworks proposed here.
Otherwise it will be 10 more years of Gideon / Boris and their successors.

'They are afraid.'

Yes, they are afraid now because Corbyn is putting forward a different option to the people. Before there was just one option - Tory or Tory-lite - so there was nothing to worry about. But now they have a real fight on their hands, someone who will challenge them. The game is no longer fixed like a rigged financial market. Now it is real and the stakes are real.

"Otherwise it will be 10 more years of Gideon / Boris and their successors."

I bet the mud slingers use JC's age against him like they did with Menzies Campbell.

BlackSunday Did some Tory MPs fail to vote ? Because that is the only way they could be defeated.
Some Tories may have done the sums and realised it was an easy win, so went on a jolly to a duckpond. However, if they thought it would be close, those Tories would have turned up. Curttng welfare is what Tories so.

what Tories do

There is an energy and enthusiasm in Labour politics that is like nothing we have seen in Labour for years and years - it is only comparable to the energy and enthusiasm among the SNP, UKIP and the Greens.

The Tories have nothing similar. Soon they won't have many volunteers or even many members. They will be on the backfoot offering a negative campaign of slagging off Corbyn. All the positive energy will be with Labour and that will attract the people, because the people want a positive vision that offers hope.