Well, there we have it: Jeremy Corbyn has just been announced the next Labour Leader

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With 59% of the vote (first round).

I've just been following the live BBC broadcast and just wanted them to get on with it.

No doubt people on both sides of the political spectrum will be overjoyed with the result.

Re his age, in the case of JC I think older means wiser and calmer.

Another recession?

My family and friends have' reached the bottom or darkest days of the current one and are still plummeting?

Tories like recessions. Rich do well in them and war.

"Plenty of us supported Thatcher in our day. She transformed the UK and was a force for good." Seriously?? No industry, no social housing, no income from areas that were privatised and are now a mess, no support for the poor and vulnerable how on earth is that a force for good? I can only assume you're relatively well off, unaffected by any of this and likely always lived in the south east because that's certainly not everyone's experience of Thatcherism. I'm middle aged and the fact that Cameron is attempting to emulate Thatcher is terrifying to me. I also don't know anyone my age (and my circle is wide and varied and certainly not all on the same political spectrum) who thinks Thatcher was good for the UK. There are some I know who think she served certain sectors of the UK well but frankly they weren't sectors who needed serving!! An example of the damage she did still affecting people worldwide (Admittedly in cahoots with Reagan) is the current refugee crisis.

"Whilst the right wing press sells us scare stories about Corbyn talking to Hamas and Hezbollah, the Foreign Office continues to approve sales of arms to the Democratic Republic of Congo, Pakistan, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Angola, Thailand and Columbia."

Thankfully it's no longer just about the mainstream press or he wouldn't even have won this election. The power of social media and sites like mn are being completely dismissed but it's a different world now. Plenty of voters no longer read newspapers/watch BBC news they get their information from a much wider variety of sources and that will be even more the case when the current 13-17 year olds can vote too.

The power of social media and sites like mn are being completely dismissed but it's a different world now
agreed!

JC is unelectable because he doesn't intend to stand for an election!

It's extraordinary how "wouldn't make a great PM" is still being used against him, when he's never said he wants to be PM. Some people in my FB echo chamber even said they didn't vote for him because they don't want him as PM

I rejoined Labour straight after the GE because I was so exasperated at their lack of a message, and wanted a voice in the party. Couldn't believe my luck when Corbyn stood up and said the same thing :)

'Tories like recessions. Rich do well in them and war.'

If you read the conspiracy sites, it is very frightening what they are predicting might happen and how war may be being envisaged to escape from the bad financial state of the world. But they have been wrong in the past and hopefully they are wrong now.

Tories unfortunately have a particular history in creating war as a means to create wealth and secure voters and I include tory in disguise Blair in that! What really pisses me off being from a military family is that they usually manage to bribe the troops into going along with it. Thatcher gave unsustainable pay rises only to remove their protection from redundancy when they were no longer politically useful.

A Very British Coup from Chris Mullens would make a really cheery read about now. How a Sheffield steel worker became MP on a landslide due to the corruption and incompetence of the sitting Tory govt.

When asked if the new govt were going to abolish 1st Class on the trains, the PM replied "Nope. We are going to abolish 2nd Class. We really can afford for everyone to go 1st Class".
Music.

The last COMRES poll before JC's win had
Tory 42%
Labour 28%
UKIP 9%
LDem 8%
Green 6%

COMRES asked about voting intentions with Corbyn, but no change.
I don't see a left surge there, or even a UKIP swing there.

He might get a honeymoon poll bounce, but then the media will get him in their sights.

'I don't see a left surge there'

It is much too early. The majority of the population don't even know who Corbyn is yet. But they will find out, in part because the Tories and the Sun will try to scare them.

Thankfully it's no longer just about the mainstream press or he wouldn't even have won this election. The power of social media and sites like mn are being completely dismissed but it's a different world now. Plenty of voters no longer read newspapers/watch BBC news they get their information from a much wider variety of sources and that will be even more the case when the current 13-17 year olds can vote too."However, he said that much of the media and even MPs in his own party were out of touch with most voters?? daily lives ?? and predicted that social media would play a key role in the 2020 election.

Exactly. And Corbyn said the same to press yesterday.

??I think the role of electronic and social media is absolutely massive. The way of doing politics is seen as very out of date,?? he said.

??MPs are a bit cut off. But if I may say so, some of the editorial rooms in some of our broadsheet newspapers are even more cut off. They simply do not understand what??s going on out there. They just don??t get it.

??The majority of people don??t buy a newspaper, they read bits on line and self-inform online and so we have to reach out in a different way."

My memories of the long Thatcher years include complete fury at being abandoned there, by other people's desire for purity.

There is no point voting UKIP under our unfair electoral system because UKIP can't get any representation even if they have 4 million votes. The fact that 4 million voters voted for them anyway shows the level of despair and disgust in our entire political class who are all the same. What will happen is that many of those disillusioned non-mainstream UKIP voters who have rebelled against the elite will now switch to Corbyn as they see that he has a chance of winning and changing things.

God, a bit too much bolding going on there!

IIRC, we did have social media in May

Surveys of Kippers show their uniting belief is keeping out furrin folk, especially black & brown ones.
They are also climate change deniers.
They are the most ignorant of voters about policy, but I expect them to notice at some stage what JC says about immigration, refugees, climate change.

Come April when the tax credit changes hit I think Corbyn will become very popular

David Davies was on Sky with Murnaghan and said that "what saved us from UKIP was our voting system, they got 4 million votes and not one seat".

The election results with a Tory voting percentage of just 23% is not representative of the country at all. It is our unfair voting system that kept them in place. But how long can it continue as the centre of British politics collapses? Now Labour's centre has collapsed and nobody saw it coming. Blairites are in shock, the Establishment are in shock, the media are in shock and Labour members have joined UKIP voters in abandoning the corrupt centre. WHat will happen next? Tory voters will abandon teh corript centre. Everything is changing. Corbyn didn't see it coming, he is being swept along on a public revolt against the centre that no one saw coming apart from UKIP voters who felt it first.

Er, the centre isn't collapsing.

claig The Corbyn phenomenon is a huge change in British politics. it is the end of New Labour, the end of Blairism. The whole country is swinging left and the centre is collapsing. The ground has collapsed under the Lanour centrists, the Tory-lites.
really - did you mean to write that
the labour party and its supporters are swinging left and blairism is no more
that does not equate to the whole country

"Whilst the right wing press sells us scare stories about Corbyn talking to Hamas and Hezbollah, the Foreign Office continues to approve sales of arms to the Democratic Republic of Congo, Pakistan, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Angola, Thailand and Columbia. The world's terrorists may be armed mostly by Russian weapons, but that's not down to a lack of trying to muscle in on the market on the part of the UK.
Unfortunately, the Tories get away with slinging mud about Corbyn's dodgy contacts, but there is no equivalent press voice to hold up a mirror on their own bad behaviour."

This. And I think there's some very murky economics going on. I'm not convinced we're out of economic stability at all and George Osborne is a sneaky fucker. There are a lot of deluded wealthy people who think everything is just fine and dandy because they're ok. Meanwhile there are many, many people genuinely struggling and life is set to get worse for those on low incomes, not better. Unfortunately more and more haves really do not care about the have nots. I find this so distressing. It's like there's been a national compassion byepass.

The Murdoch press will say anything - there are no morals there. And the Mail is just a joke of a newspaper. They can froth all they like about JC, the people that read those papers must know what they are letting themselves in for!

I like JC. I like someone who is sure in his beliefs and isn't just another lightweight in a suit. And I think the Tories are more worried than you'd think. Not the Tory supporters, but the party. You don't get this level of hate and anger if you're of little consequence!

oh - and as you well know our voting system kept the labour government in place from 1997 to 2010 - or did you think it was fair then but not now.
could give you the %ages but I cannot be bothered to point out the obvious.

What also worries me most is this hysterical JC fever, which is more suitable to one of those weird religions, not a modern political movement.
He's an old political hack who's been an MP since 1983, not the other JC

No one can believe what has happened. It is an earthquake. Len McCluskey and the unions never saw this coming, never really understood how much the centre, the Blairites were despised.

The unions and McCluskey started off backing Burnham, but most of them switched to Corbyn when they saw the reaction his campaign was getting. They can't believe the scale of it and they are now rethinking what this means for British politics, what the people are really saying and feeling.

This is a rollercoaster that can't be stopped. It is a bottom-up rebeliion of the people against the elites, against the top-down Oxbridge planners who decided policy and ran the media and told everyone what they were allowed to hope for.

It has wiped out and humiliated the entire Labour ruling class. It is a rebellion of the people against the political class, which of course is what the earlier UKIP phenomenon was also all about.