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to be worried about Islamic State terrorists sneaking in with the refugees/migrants?

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ender · 06/09/2015 11:32

Surely this is a risk with such large numbers?
Although if it was then presumably more effort would have been made to screen the incomers when they first arrived in Hungary.
Is there some kind of screening/surveillance going on that we don't know about?

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PausingFlatly · 06/09/2015 13:07

That said, not taking refugees won't stop them coming, it will just mean they take different risks.

Well exactly. The question shouldn't be:
"Could anyone coming with the refugees be committed to or even sympathetic to ISIS?",
but:
"Would refusing to take refugees make much difference to keeping ISIS out of the UK?"

Given the number of home grown or UK-citizen fundamentalist terrorists and the number of Brits travelling to Syria to join ISIS, it seems unlikely that taking refugees would make much difference (unless there's a specific source of refugees full of ISIS supporters).

spanisharmada · 06/09/2015 13:17

It all seems a bit arse about face doesn't it? Recruit people from the UK to fight in Syria, and send Syrian's over as 'refugees' to infiltrate the UK... Surely there could be a far simpler way of achieving their goals

ender · 06/09/2015 14:18

What would people who are worried suggest happens then?
Ergo - Hungary had things set up to process the refugees. I understand why they refused - they wanted to go to Germany - but if the rules were changed so that people were documented and fingerprinted without having to claim asylum at least there'd be a basic check.
If thousands of people turned up on a beach in the south of England I don't think they'd be allowed to make their way up to Scotland without any official checks. Or perhaps they would??

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Doublebubblebubble · 06/09/2015 14:25

As others have said - I don't see why isis/isil would do this... They would lose a lot of people (I use that term very loosely)...

Also I have major worries about reality/ anyone who actively reads the express for their news/views. Wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them...

woodhill · 06/09/2015 14:44

Fair concern, not all the people in Hungary are from Syria. I think we have to be careful.

KanyeWestPresidentForLife · 06/09/2015 14:49

Yeah. Because ISIS and Islamic terrorists are notoriously reluctant to lose any operatives.

Hence the fact they never do suicide bombings or martyrdom missions.

Lweji · 06/09/2015 15:33

at the people who, categorically refuse to believe, it's even a remote possibility that Isis could be amongst the refugees.

Sure, it's a possibility. Just as it is a possibility that among people you cross on the street or sit by in public transport there are already ISIS terrorists.
Or coming as passengers in the many flights that land in the UK.

What people don't think is that the refugees pose a particular or increased risk.

meditrina · 06/09/2015 15:40

ISIS are pretty unlikely to be in the UN camps from which UK will take refugees. Though not impossible. But the identity screening that is carried out there does at least mean there is some idea of who's who.

They are however pretty damned likely to be using people-smuggling routes (they'll be the ones on the seaworthy fast boats that care is taken over) and may well come on totally separate routes to the logjam places such as Calais if there is ever the slightest whiff of easy onwards passage.

They'll be using all possible routes all the time. Some will work, others won't. Knowing how to move people round the globe would be important recce information.

MrsGentlyBenevolent · 06/09/2015 15:51

What people don't think is that the refugees pose a particular or increased risk

It's a case of time will tell, and a gamble that Western Europe seems willing to take. I said on another thread, truly hope our fears about ISIS members using this fully to their advantage is unfounded. Of course, it may not just be those fully committed IS members either. These are desperate people, if their families are being held or threatened in any way in Syria, who knows their true intentions when they arrive in Europe. It's not all about the bad people who want to do us harm, but the mad and the bad have promised to cause as much disaster in the West as possible, this seems almost a golden opportunity to both send back those they have trained from Europe, along with a few more they have threatened into working for them.

poocatcherchampion · 06/09/2015 15:58

Do you think Isis are reading this thread for advice?

We should watch what we say!

YouTheCat · 06/09/2015 16:03

Maybe if members of our government (past and present) hadn't been funding all these weapons (which they are) we wouldn't be having a refugee crisis in the first place. There's plenty more people already in this country who are are far scarier than a few people fleeing for their lives.

oohfurgood · 06/09/2015 16:31

You are forgetting that the UK lived with terrorism for years, all home grown. You cannot worry about a random person from Syria getting into the UK. Chances are they are not from Syria but elsewhere

someoneorother · 07/09/2015 10:36

ISIS sources claiming to infiltrate with refugees was not just reported by the nutty Express but also by the Independent and the BBC a few months ago. No reputable British source is saying it right now. Conspiracy theorists can make what they will of that.

We are today ruled by secular humanists who either think all religions are the same, nice and cuddly, or think that bringing in a more problematic religion like the version of Islam based on the more extreme statements in the Koran will give them more of an opportunity to suppress Christianity too.

I don't know what the answer is. It is a good and right thing to help refugees. Maybe we have to take some risks along with that.

Lweji · 07/09/2015 10:55

ISIS sources claiming to infiltrate with refugees

It's also a good method to instill fear in Europe and keep the refugees away and suffering.

someoneorother · 07/09/2015 11:04

Again, not wanting to discourage Europe and Britain from helping, here's another element in the picture:
www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/04/the-middle-east-needs-to-take-care-of-its-own-refugees.html

Lweji · 07/09/2015 11:11

I think we can agree with that article, while still doing our best to help people who need it.

BreakingDad77 · 07/09/2015 11:39

More likely they assisting with people smuggling operations and making money off them.

Myosotisbleu · 07/09/2015 13:42

Just simple as this : ISIS doesn't need to enter Europe, all they have to do is to brainwash young people borned already here, so stop being afraid of refugees who are fleeing because of the real threat to their lives.

Moreover, no need cryng over spilled milk : if Britons hadn't help US invaded Irak in 2003 and consequently helped the rise of ISIS and other zealous djihadists alike, maybe we wouldn't have to fear those horrible terrorist attacks in Europe...

CarpetBagger · 07/09/2015 13:45

I cant link but there have been pictures of ISIS fighters coming into the various landing places and been identified.

I am quite sure some ISIS supporters/fighters are sneaking in, its part of their plan and they said so.
What would you do if you were ISIS?
Does that mean we don't take refugees? No of course not, but it does mean the authorities need to do checks and protect us all.

CarpetBagger · 07/09/2015 13:47

ISIS doesn't need to enter Europe

They want trained fighters from the field in Europe. They can do far more damage than loan wolves here.

They want to fly the ISIS flag on Buckingham Palace.

They may not need to enter Europe, what is need? But they want too.

Lweji · 07/09/2015 13:50

Carpet, at the risk of making you even more , they don't need to enter because they are already here.

CarpetBagger · 07/09/2015 14:03

A well-funded organisation like ISIS doesn't need to risk the lives of its operatives on non-seaworthy boats that sink in the Med

Eh? Isis, who use people like fodder and get them to blow themselves up, because they will get 40 peanuts or something wouldn't risk the lives of its operatives?

Myosotisbleu · 07/09/2015 14:04

Young people from France, Britain & other EU countries go to Syria viA Turkey in order to get trained. They then come back and perpetrate terrorist attacks in their own country, where they were born. Not the other way round.

Maybe you saw pictures of so called terrorist landing here but I can assure you that all the recent -and numerous- terrorist attacks which occured in France have been commited by young men born there.

CarpetBagger · 07/09/2015 14:05

lweji are they!

You know them personally do you

We may have people looking up bombs on the internet, they want trained killers in our midst.

Plenty of sea worth boats crossing the med too. Easy to do anything in chaos.

CarpetBagger · 07/09/2015 14:06

myo no I saw a pic a while ago of known ISIS landing in Italy I think. Seen another few over past months.

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