to be worried about Islamic State terrorists sneaking in with the refugees/migrants?

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Surely this is a risk with such large numbers?
Although if it was then presumably more effort would have been made to screen the incomers when they first arrived in Hungary.
Is there some kind of screening/surveillance going on that we don't know about?

But that's the thing. They are mostly not Syrian, or whatever. They are European born, on EU passports with every right to enter (unless proven that they were training with ISIS, in which case they'd be arrested).

Worry more about the intolerance and hatred being bred here.

Rightly or wrongly I don't feel any major threat from people in camps round Syria. I feel no threat for the government bringing them here either. They will be checked out and processed properly.

Do I feel worried about the human chaos over Europe allowing ISIS to get more operatives into Europe. Yes.

the reality is that isis don't need to send people over here because there are enough people here who are open to being radicalised already.

Also, isis coming here is a different animal to what they are doing in Syria. If isis want to be here to commit acts of terror it is easy enough to do as recent events in France, Australia, Tunisia demonstrate. But isis coming here isn't going to mean rounding up Christians to behead them on mass etc as happens in Syria, Iraq etc purely because the infrastructure here is so much different to those parts of the middle east.

However, it is naive to think that everyone fleeing Syria are lovely people just wanting to be an upstanding member of a society. Fact is that if a million people enter Germany for instance, it is inevitable that some of those will be undesirable, will have a past of some sort, or will be capable of committing any number of hideous non-terror-related crimes in their new countries of residence.

That doesn't necessarily mean that we should start turning away refugeses, however it does IMO mean that people should think more carefully before campaigning for free movement of refugees across Europe, because once you open borders, knowing just who you are letting into your country, and in some instances your home becomes impossible to know.

you are most definitely not being unreasonable at all ender. it is inevitable that there will be a few bad apples in such a large barrel. and the fact that they can loose themselves in the stampede is an attractive and convenient situation for them. of course no one is gonna tell a reporter 'yes I despise the degenerate West and all it stands for and now that I've gained entry i'm gonna join my brothers for the cause and i'll do as I please'. when some one stands in front of a reporter and tells a story who is anyone to know if there is any truth in it ?? how do you check who is who ? Fact is you cannot. I think its very naïve to just nod and say 'oh ok, you tell us you're a good egg, so it must be true'. but my opinion as stated above is not a popular one.

Yes, wannaBe, but probably not in a much larger percentage than the local residents.

but we have no way of knowing. And IMO the more unwilling someone is to be processed properly rather than continuing to break the law, the less likely they are to uphold the law in the country where they ultimately choose to live.

I absolutely understand the manner in which refugees escape their own countries because they have no choice.

However, the actions of those in Hungary at the weekend and those at Calais storming the tunnel and putting the lives of lorry drivers at risk are not the actions of the kind of people we should want to open our borders to.

Process the people properly, through proper channels once they are on safe soil. If they are genuine they will go the proper route to hopefully obtain asylum in their country of choice.

Agree with pps - why would IS bother to send people here when they have already shown that they can successfully groom people already living here?

Yanbu but nobody will do anything until ISIS commit a terror attack here.

MerryMouse, it's the lack of opportunity for detection that's the problem. Our security services have done an absolutely brilliant job of foiling planned terror attacks in recent years. A large part of this has been because radicalisation of people who are already here involves the Internet and electronic communications which can be monitored. It's also true that the channels of radicalisation have also been infiltrated so the people they believe they are radicalising are often spooks anyway.

Someone coming in undetected amongst a mass of people not relying on the net to carry out attacks is going to be a lot harder to find.

As far as I can see the mothers and school children who have crossed into Syria haven't been on anyone's radar.

why would IS bother to send people here when they have already shown that they can successfully groom people already living here?

Training and training camps and being in a field of war.

One lone wolf V trained and hardened ISIS operative, trained how to use guns ( for a start) not afraid to kill. Experience.

YANBU. There will be hundreds of them. What better camouflage than hiding in plain site? This situation is a God send for terrorist organisations.

Apparently there are already people in the west who are happy to use a gun and not afraid to kill, as shown in Paris in January.

Merry we don't know if they were on people's radars or not. But even if they were given the amount of plots which have been uncovered recently the security services are going to be concentrating on those actively plotting attacks, not silly girls flirting with jihadis.

Merry I am sure one or both had been trained elsewhere and used those skills to kill.

but we have no way of knowing. And IMO the more unwilling someone is to be processed properly rather than continuing to break the law, the less likely they are to uphold the law in the country where they ultimately choose to live.

This is a very important point.

YANBU

The point is that many things are out of our control. Of course bad people will try to sneak through as Syrian refugees, whether that is because they are terrorists or just plain criminals.

However, if we don't preserve our humanity the terrorists have won anyway.

However, if we don't preserve our humanity the terrorists have won anyway.

Very much this.

And how much skill does it take to kill random people with a gun?

And how much skill does it take to kill random people with a gun?

I'd wager that it takes more skill than you might think.

Surely not if silly teenagers can do it.

Violence is only difficult if you pick targets who are well protected and/or care for your own safety and don't want to get caught.

Once you no longer value your own or anybody else's life it is easy.

We live our lives on the basis that we trust others not to think like this - because of our shared humanity.

kanye I absolutely agree with you. And I think the fact that our police have foiled so many potential attacks makes people complacent and think they will continue to stop ALL future attacks.

Perhaps some of these people are fleeing ISIS because they got kicked out for being too hardcore.