to be worried about Islamic State terrorists sneaking in with the refugees/migrants?

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Surely this is a risk with such large numbers?
Although if it was then presumably more effort would have been made to screen the incomers when they first arrived in Hungary.
Is there some kind of screening/surveillance going on that we don't know about?

Perhaps some of these people are fleeing ISIS because they got kicked out for being too hardcore

It's a valid point.

You have as much chance of being right on that score as the damp-eyed door-openers can be sure that they are just the same as us, share our democratic values of equality and tolerance and wish merely to make a peaceful life somewhere safe.

Burning off one's fingerprints, for example, is not, in the experience of my friend who has worked in a camp in Lebanon, not something that the true refugees are to be found doing.

Looking at the pictures of all the young, fit and healthy young men that have fled their country causes me huge concern. Theses people are willing to die for their cause so yes they would take risks travelling in boats to get here especially as so many are coming over. To be honest I think it's a disgrace and upsetting that so many young men have travelled here leaving so many women and children behind. They should be fighting for their country.

I think there will be more common or garden scumbags than ISIS operatives trying to sneak in. Scumbags always know how to work a horrible situation to their own advantage, so if you're a wanted or convicted rapist/murderer/paedophile, what better way to create a new identity than to burn your passport and claim to be a displaced person whose family have all been killed, get to Europe and hey presto, clean slate. Better to let a few wrong 'uns in than to shut thousands of innocents out, though.

Even if they had passports I would have big doubts about the ability to check for fakes. Is the Syrian government - such as it is - still in control of the Syrian Passport Office? Have they got loads of funding and extra staff available to ring up a million local doctors to make sure it's their signature on the back of the photo? The local doctors are probably in a refugee camp in Turkey themselves anyway. Can they check your address if your street has been blown off the map? Our own passport office has a hard enough time coping with a normal level of demand, and we're not in the midst of civil war. I think we'll just have to heave a sigh, accept passports cut out of the back of a cornflake packet, and let them in, as titting around for months keeping them in holding camps trying to get proper verification is going to end in a worse humanitarian/welfare problem and a lot of deaths.

You do realise that many of the demographic problems the West is facing is due to a small paranoid minority of various religions banding together, deeming the impoverished rest of us as potential terrorists and using it as an excuse to rob us blind and murder us right? We're still so upset about WW2...

Yanbu and in fact Isis have threatened this . lots of 'pc 'posters on here who use sarcasm to close down this aegune t instead of engaging with it.the ' lots of terrorists are UK born ' argument does not make the threat from migrants less! What sort of logic is that!

Agree Caramel. Why else would ISIS boast about/claim to have smuggled in thousands of operatives amongst refugees? Just to stir up fear of the refugees and encourage Europe to try to shut them out.....so the refugees perceive that Europe fear/hate/despise them and become more susceptible to being radicalised in Lebanon or wherever they end up and ISIS plan to move into next.

Oh and Germany's generosity is motivated by a shortfall of 500000 in their workforce

I don't thibk you know what 'pointing the figure at' means?

What is pointing the figure at?

Blaming

You realise it's finger?
Pointing the finger at is blaming.

AFAIK, nobody points figures.

Oh FFS obviously an autocorrect

Did you autocorrect reading my question too?

yes.

this

soory meant to say the top picture of the 'refugees' in Germany with the ISIS flag

Phantomnamechanger posted this on Sunday night
No we don't know - but that is not an excuse not to help fellow human beings in dire need.

^ this in abundance. I am not discounting the fact that the odd ISIS member will be smuggled in on the pretence of being a refugee.

But i can sleep at night knowing that i feel compassion and humanitarianism towards the needy, and those fleeing from ISIS

Several borders have now been closed. It does make one wonder if it is just the pressure of numbers that has proved a problem.

Which isn't to say that ISIS plants are a large problem, but Pakistanis, Roma and Ethiopians have joined the throng and that is documented.

Which isn't to say that ISIS plants are a large problem, but Pakistanis, Roma and Ethiopians have joined the throng and that is documented

Who wouldn't Germany has offered huge opportunity to anyone wanting to move hasn't it.

Goodness if me and my family were trapped somewhere less than ideal but not violent I too would be saying come on lets try our luck!

dolcellate that picture has been floating about since 2012, what on earth does it have to do with the current situation?

Maybe we could help the refugees further by bombing the crap out of their tormentors.

I believe Roma people are free to travel throughout Europe, so it shouldn't be a problem for them.

Dolcelatte, rather than pointing fingers at Germany think about how the rest of the world can help Syria become a peaceful nation.

I think the rest of the world has recently spent a lot of time scratching its head about how to do precisely that. You could try and bomb ISIS into oblivion, and turn it into another Iraq. You could do what Russia has done and provide aid to Bashir. Or you could send send delegates and diplomats who could, y'know, explain how much nicer it is not to fight. Western countries ought to know their limits and realise that they didn't cause it and can't solve it.

IMO the West should provide shelter to Syrian refugees as is reasonable, regarless of the cost, and should expect that once the war ends they be repatriated to Syria. That means refugees are helped, and people in the West don't have to worry about demographic timebombs or Islamist terrorists - something which I think is a reasonable concern. While I doubt refugees are likely to be at all inclined to terrorism, their children might be another matter, as we have seen in the past.