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AIBU - in laws visiting when DC2 is born

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butttons · 02/09/2015 14:08

I am currently 34 weeks pregnant with DC2 (we already have DD who is 2.5 years old). My parents live 90 mins drive away from us and PILs live 6 hrs drive away. When DD was born my parents came to the hospital (she is first grandchild) and stayed with us for a few days to help out. PILs came when DD was 4 weeks old and stayed with us for about a week to help out after DH had gone back to work. PILs have 3 other grandchildren.

For birth of DC2, DH wants his parents to be able to come to the hospital too and has said that it should be both sets or neither sets of parents. I can sort of see his point as my parents got to come to the hospital and his didn't for DD, but the thought of having his parents here immediately after giving birth fills me with dread. It's not that I don't get on with MIL, she tends to take over a little bit and do things her way (I am slightly OCD about the way I like my kitchen etc and know that this feeling is more about me than anything she does) but I find it very difficult to relax around her. It doesn't help that FIL has mobility issues, with which she has very little patience, and she is a bit selfish (she's asked me how I am feeling a total of 3 times during this entire pregnancy) And I know she'll monopolise DH's time with her problems when she is here (e.g. Her favourite time to ring him is during DD's dinner/bath/bedtime which is the only time DH gets with her during the week and she doesn't seem to hear if Dd is having tantrums at the time). When they came when DD was tiny I always felt like I was holding them up from doing things as Dd would want a feed or need to be changed as soon as they got their coats on to go out so then they'd sit on the sofa just waiting and I'd rush DD so we could carry on with our plans. I also found comments like "can't you give her a bottle" not very helpful. I'm just really aware that my hormones are going to be all over the place when DC2 is born and I don't want to add extra stress to this time. Ideally I'd like it to be just me, DH, DD and my mum within easy reach (e.g. at her sister's, not with us). As PILs live so far away we can't really ask them to come down at the birth for 1-2 days and then again a few weeks later.

AIBU to be selfish and not want PILs here at birth? I feel like a right cow saying no but I just remember how emotional I felt when Dd was born and do not feel like I will be able to relax with them around. I also know it's going to be hard telling my parents not to come to the hospital.... And tbh we are going to need some help with DD when Dc comes along. This is now stressing me out more than the actual birth (oh and having a toddler and newborn in tow).

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DinosaursRoar · 02/09/2015 21:01

I have a DS so there's a chance I'll be a MIL in the future. If i'm so lucky as to have a DIL having obviously the most beautiful in the world grandchild, I hope that a) I'm not needed to be hosted and b) I'd remember what childbirth is like enough to know said DIL will need a bit of space! If we lived 6 hours away, I wouldn't need to be told, I'd be telling DS we were booking a hotel (and eating in said hotel) unless they wanted us to stay to look after an older DGC.

I read so many of these threads around childbirth and PIL/parents issues, I am worried I might forget what childbirth and the following few weeks are like - that's the only explaination I can think of for why these mothers and mother-in-laws have such unreasonable expectations of their DD's/DIL's in their excitement about seeing a new grandchild. Sad

Hellocampers · 02/09/2015 21:13

Op you have the right and try absolute right to decide who visits/stays/helps. Not your dh but you. It's your time and your body.

All this being even handed to both inlaws and parents is bollocks.

I speak as. Mum to 4 and a mil to
One soon to be a grand mother.

I will visit/help/be there as and when my dils and dds want me.

I think it's generally normal for women to want their own moms at such time and any mil who doesn't get that is a twat.

My dils get to choose and I get to support them in any decision.

That's my job.

dobbythedoggy · 02/09/2015 21:13

Oh for goodness sake. I HATE the atitude that grandparents need to be treated equally in the first few weeks of a babies life. It really doesn't matter to the baby if they meet maternal or paternal grandparents two hours ot two weeks after their birth. Not all grandparents have equal relationship with their child and their child's patner. Not all have the same means avaliable to them as the other set of parents be it distance they need to travle, flexablity of work, or the empathy and understanding to support the new parents.

I do think after the post birth period it's more acceptable to try to make things fare as both sets of grandparents should be able to develop a loving relationship with their grandparents. But that it also shouldn't limit or prevent a more avaliable set of grandparents seeing the child just because they can't or won't visit or allow visitors. We try to keep things equal between my parents and dh's issuing the same invites for outtings and meals out together, times to visit at home for roughly equal lengths of time. But my parents live closer and tend to accept more invites to do things with us. Ils on the other hand don't respond to invites and if any responce is given it's usually no I can't do xxxx, at the point we'd be expecting them to arrive. Any invites we are given to family events are at the earliest the night before but usually an hour or so before they'd want us to arrive. Prehaps I need to limit my parents time with dd as ils don't make the effort of aprove of us visiting at times that work for us, ie when dh isn't working, day time when they are home. As I see it they have equal opportunity but choose not to use it, we say yes to them whenever physically possiable for us but they tend to choose times they know we aren't avaliable. Mil and her mother, however focus on how unfair it is that they don't have the same relationship with dd that my mum has. In fact mil works less than 10 hours a week term time only where as my mum has two jobs and is undergoing an intense training process to become ordained, a mother under going chemo and her other dd is strugling with depression, so could see much more of dd if she chose to.

We're hopefully expecting dc2 next year and before even started to try dh and I agreed what was acceptable for post birth visiting. If I'm in for long enough and am well enough visitors visiting at hospital will be welcomed, this may well be the case as I might need a c section. Dd will be the first to visit, my parents, sister, close friends or bil will have her (not mil/fil as we know them having her alone is not a safe opption until she is more awear of safety). It is likely my parents will have her and will bring her to hospital as soon as I'm presentable enough not to scare her so will meet dc2 first. Mil met dd first, so if she wants to go on about it being fair, it's my mum and dad's turn. At home we've agreed not to invite people to visit until I am discharged by the midwife as demands to visit for hours and daily from ils made this period with dd a living hell. If I'm not in hospital long enough for visitors, mil and fil will be invited for a short visit when it is convinient for us in the first day or two, but it will be for half an hour at most, if they want longer they will need to wait.

My parents will be around in that time. People can say or think what they like about that but the fact of the matter is we know from experience my parents will offer invaluable support where as mil and fil will make more work for us and cause upset. My mum and dad won't be there to see the baby, but will be offering practical support, not be sat expecting to cuddle the baby and hold a conversation. They will probably be in and out making sure dd is able to get out, taking washing, doing washing up, putting meals in the slow cooker or devlivering cooked food, doing shopping runs and helping out with my personal care if needed. I've suffered with really bad morning sickness and they've been fantastic, done what ever they can to help. My mum will pick up dd's toys and run the hover round, pack up a bag of washing to take away, my dad will do the washing up, clean the kitchen and mop the floor to save dh a job, do the ironing and sort any dry washing so it just needs to be put away. They just want to support us and make life easier for us. Mil has visited twice since I've been pregnant, and moaned about the state of the house, dh having to do the washing, the fact there are dishes in the sink or that the washing basket is full. She doesn't offer to help, but hovers over anyone doing anything tutting about how they do it. Dh asked her to help dry up when she watched him do the washing up and he was told off for being inhospitable! It's not what any of us need in the post birth period so why should we expose ourselves to it. We'll wait until we are more able to offer her hospitality to her desired level.

Thank god dh is on the same page. He wanted to make sure I still wanted to allow my parents to help. They are the ones he phones if something is worrying him, not his mum.

redshoeblueshoe · 02/09/2015 21:18

Hello you put that so succinctly Grin

ollieplimsoles · 02/09/2015 22:13

I just don't like the way certain members of families seem to only care about the new baby in this situation, and forget about the mother and what she has gone through. Those people will be last to visit no matter who they are, and unfortunately for my mil she is one of them...

My mum will be coming first because she cares about me as well as the baby.

Shelby2010 · 02/09/2015 22:35

In a sane world you or DH would just speak to the PIL and say:

'You're welcome to come & meet DC2 as soon as you like, but if you come in the first few days you'll only be able to stay for a couple of hours. If it's easier given the distance, you can come down for a longer visit a couple of weeks later. By the way, we are not having anyone staying in the house as we want to minimise disruption to DC1, the nearest hotel is xxx or would you prefer a B&B?'

TheExMotherInLaw · 02/09/2015 23:39

MIL's deserve a quick visit in the first week, and apart from that, ought to be as useful, supportive, present or absent as the newly delivered mum wishes. I think they should get what they deserve, determined by how much of a help or hindrance they have been in the past. Have who YOU want and need around you at this time.
Shelby has it right

sleeponeday · 03/09/2015 01:12

The reality is that a woman with a decent relationship with her mum is likely to want her around when she is post-partum. She is a lot less likely to want her MIL around. It's a vulnerable time and she is recovering from a major life event and a major medical event at the same time, with hormones all over the place and limited sleep.

It isn't about the wishes of anyone else. I have a DS and if he does ever have kids of his own, I probably won't be welcome in the earliest days. And how welcome I will be after that is very probably going to be down to how I conduct myself. And that's okay, because I was once that anxious, exhausted, overwhelmed new mother myself, too.

Trying to argue "fair" is like saying men should get time off in pregnancy for scans.

iamanintrovert · 03/09/2015 08:03

Oh my goodness. This has nothing to do with being fair to both sets of parents. YOU are the one giving birth. This should be about what YOU need and want. If you want your parents' support then you should have them there. Grandparents should not need to be treated like children who all have to have exactly the same sort of treat so they don't get all upset.

If you're not comfortable having them there straight after birth out is absolutely OK to say no. Wait a week or so before them visiting, and keep the visit short. This is NOT about them at all. Your husband should support you in this.

hackmum · 03/09/2015 08:14

Crikey, the idea of actually having people to stay with you after you've just given birth and are trying to recover, bond with the baby, deal with poo and sick and also look after a toddler is utterly intolerable in my view. How on earth are you supposed to look after their needs as well as your own?

You are not being in the slightest bit princessy and your husband is being an arse. Your PILs are selfish and thoughtless.

butttons · 03/09/2015 09:06

Thanks ladies - I feel a bit better after reading these replies that my toys are okay being thrown out of this particular pram.

shelby - that's a really polite way of putting it - will try and go for something similar.

It's not that I want to shut my ILs out or stop them from seeing the bub, I just have been feeling selfish for wanting my own mum round to look after me and now I don't feel so bad about it.

x x

(I only feel bad about the fact that I now seem to be addicted to this forum.......... so much for getting worthwhile stuff done around the house while on mat leave)

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Goldmandra · 03/09/2015 09:19

Just imagine the conversation:

“Hello Mum. Nicky and I have had a chat and I've told her that, as she doesn't think she'll be able to play host to you and Dad immediately after the birth, we won’t let her parents anywhere near her either.
Of course she doesn't mind missing out on her mum’s support at a time when she feels traumatised and vulnerable and I don't mind having to do all the running round, housework, childcare, etc, single handed just so that you feel reassured that you’ve been treated completely equally as grandparents.
Let us know when you'll be down and we'll arrange for Nicky's parents to arrive at the same time.”

Any grandparents who thought that scenario was acceptable don't deserve to see their DGCs, ever.

KetchupIsNearlyAVegetable · 03/09/2015 10:37

Your mum is helpful. Your PIL are bad guests. You don't want MIL staying for several days immediately after you give birth. Does your DH not recognise that his parents are bad house guests?

Hellocampers · 03/09/2015 10:46

Good luck op.

I despair that anyone apart from the woman who has just given birth can make the birth about them.

My lovely mil did offer to stay with us post birth but I declined as just wanted dh. She was absolutely fine with that. I will offer to help my dils/dds any way I can post birth and will just do as they wish.

Personally I think doing their washing/ironing at my home and dropping off a casserole or cleaning their loo etc is far more help than sitting on my arse holding a grand child and making it all about me. Fuck that!

butttons · 03/09/2015 10:54

Does your DH not recognise that his parents are bad house guests?

No he doesn't, which gets to me. He is almost blind to it. He doesn't tell his mum not to call between 6 and 7:30pm when he is with DD, I just tell her that I can't speak to her at that time if he's not around. My mum realizes that we are busy then and calls after 8pm, and always asks after DD (MIL only asks every so often). I love him to bits but he cannot see that I would be more comfortable with my own mum around during those first few days. I think he may have forgotten how hard it can be with a newborn from the first time around and is judging my parents by the fact that they verge on being obsessed with adore DD, whereas his parents are less obsessed as they have other GCs.

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 03/09/2015 10:59

Is it 'making the birth about him' if the new, proud, happy father wants his parents to meet his new baby, though?

Tbh, I would have had far more of a problem with my mum visiting me, either in hospital or postnatally at home. She smokes, and whilst she would have smoked outside, I would not have been at all happy with her holding my precious newborns, whilst reeking of cigarette smoke - plus she is a far less supportive and helpful person than my late MIL ever was.

As I said earlier - my PIL did come to the hospital within hours of ds1 being born - I was really happy to see them, and it was a very special time. They came back later on, and took dh home - because I had been in labour for 37.75 hours, he had been up for most of those hours (though the hospital did send him home the second night I was in labour), and he was knackered - so they took him for a meal, then took him home. I really appreciated this - he needed the support, and they gave it.

Then, whilst I was in hospital with ds1 (who had neonatal jaundice, needed phototherapy, and was in hospital for a week), they went to our house, gave it a good clean, and filled the freezer with things we could just bung in the oven, for dinners.

MiddleAgedandConfused · 03/09/2015 13:51

Some great posts. It is your choice who you want around in those first few days. I am sure if the PILs lived closer it would be easy for them to pop down for a few hours - it's the distance that makes it complicated.
I think that birth is one of the few occasions in life when you can legitimately be as selfish as you want. You'll probably be exhausted, possibly in pain, coping with a new born, bf, managing DC1....
Do what you need to do to make sure this is the best, happiest experience for your family.
It is not about making sure everybody is treated equally. That doesn't matter, for a few weeks at least.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 03/09/2015 14:43

The other thing to remember is that 'fair' treatment doesn't have to mean identical treatment. There might well be another way to achieve balance between the way the OP's parents and her ILs are treated.

RosaBee · 03/09/2015 14:50

I have a similar situation and also want to know if I am being unreasonable. Dh dad lives in Ireland, he has met our children maybe 3 times, they are 5 and 3, despite being invited here many more times but rarely speaks to us, he only started visiting at all when his wife started going to a yearly craft course 30 miles from where we live.
He rang dh a few weeks ago announcing he will be coming to stay as she has booked another course the day our third child is due. I have been trying to sort child care with my parents who live a few miles away and am now really stressed about him being here. He is a bit of a chavanistic pig so would feel I would have to cook for him and keep the house clean for his visit when really, I'd like to be concentrating on making sure my children are happy and not worried by the baby coming and spending the weekend as a family. Our children don't really know him so I wouldn't feel happy leaving them with him if I did go into labour.
I am more than happy for him to visit once baby is here and I know both me and baby are ok but feel it is our place to invite him, not for him to announce he's coming, at the most inconvenient date possible! May I add I have known my husband for 12 years and been with him for 10, I have never been invited to his house and he hasn't asked when my birthday even is. Anyway, rant over! Can we tell him this isn't practice and ask him not to come that particular time?

JohnCusacksWife · 03/09/2015 14:55

I think it would be pretty mean to tell your in laws they can't visit their new grandchild in the hospital. That's not to say you have to put them up though. Can't you simply say they're welcome to visit but not to stay in your home? Having said that that's what I'd be saying to my own parents too. I couldn't have abided the thought of anyone but me, my DH & DCs staying in my home in the first few days.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 03/09/2015 14:55

Maybe you reply, in a cheerful and breezy way, reminding him that your baby is due that day, and telling him that, whether you are still pregnant or have a newborn, you will not be running around after guests, so he will have to look after himself, make his own cups of tea, and that he'll be expected to pull his weight around the house. Hotel RosaBee will not be open to visitors! But that if he feels it might be too much for him, you'll suggest some hotels!

Goldmandra · 03/09/2015 16:09

Rosabee, I would reply assuming that he's forgotten that your baby is due around that time and fully expecting him to understand that it is not a good time to have house guests. If he pushes it you need to just say "No. I'm afraid that isn't going to work for us."

Let him know a date after which you would be happy to accommodate him.

coconutpie · 03/09/2015 16:46

Rosabee your DH's father is being incredibly selfish - tell him no. Provide him the details of B&Bs close to the craft course, but tell him he will not be staying with you. On your due date?! Bloody hell.

Cherryblossomsinspring · 03/09/2015 19:51

Rosabee, I can imagine you do not want him there. You will likely labour at home for hours before going to hospital, imagine your fil hanging around in the background! On my first baby my parents (who I'm close to) decided to come stay for 2 nights 2 weeks before my due date. As the time came closer I got very agitated and upset about them coming and even told mum that I did not want them there if I went km to labour. I was suddenly very uptight about it. Well, they arrived and that evening I went into labour 2 weeks early. Couldn't bloody believe it! But actually mum was lovely company for the day, looking after me while dh went to work a few hrs on things he couldn't really cancel and dad took himself off for the day sightseeing. It was all fine BUT the stress at the thought of them being there before they arrived was not worth it and if it was my film, that would be a totally different story. I'd contact him and say that it's your due date so you won't be having visitors as you will either be handling a very tiny baby, be in labour or enjoying a last few days relaxing in private before the new arrival. He'll get over it!

RosaBee · 04/09/2015 09:24

Thanks for replies. He was told it was due date when he rang to say he had booked to come over, he just sort of ignored that part and carried on.
The problem is, unless I go early I will definitely be in hospital on due date as I had a difficult first birth so not allowed to go over due date again. The children will likely be at my parents house and we will be at hospital. He does have form for this. When our second baby was born he was told he could come any time, apart from one date when dh was working all day and then into the evening, he turned up on that exact date, when I was in bed in the house by myself and marched into my bedroom, setting our dogs off barking and waking the children up. It felt like he didn't believe that day was not convenient and was trying to catch us out?! His wife was mortified! It was also about 9pm at night.